Can I buy red diesel for my smallholding use ??

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Can I buy red diesel for my smallholding use ??

Post: # 224656Post gray_bale
Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:34 pm

Can I buy red diesel for my smallholding use ??

Not too sure what forum topic this goes under.

But am I able to buy red diesel, and from where and in what (small) quantities. Where do I store it.

Can I use it driving to and from my smallholding.

What if my vehicle is used for part non farming use ?

Any ideas please.
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Re: Can I buy red diesel for my smallholding use ??

Post: # 224660Post JulieSherris
Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:05 pm

As far as I know, your vehicle has to be registered for agricultural or construction use. Hence the use in tractors, cranes, etc.

If you try & use it without the necessary registration, then you could face a hefty fine if you're caught.

We still have roadside checks here in Ireland where any & all diesel vehicles are checked - they reckon 1 in 4 motorists are caught out!
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:14 pm

OK red diesel bottom line.I don't know or care about what's lawfull,this is how it pans out round here.If your vehicle is registered as an agricultural vehicle (basically a tractor) you can run on red and you wont get any hassle(that's why you get held up on the road by the giant tonka toys pulling trailers full of grain/spuds/etc...lorries will get nicked running on red.)Many rural petrol stations sell red out of pumps,look about.Big deisel suppliers will deliver to your place ,you will need a tank,say 600 gall.Don't ever use red in an ordinary road going vehicle,at livestock markets,agricultural shows etc you MAY WELL GET DIPPED (and subsequently hammered).Some totally reprehensible people have a second fuel tank in their Landie (under the passenger seat)so when their reg tank is dipped they are found to be behaving completely innocently.This kind of tax-dodging is anti-social,and completely reprehensible...(I'd hang them!)

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Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:06 am

oldjerry wrote:Some totally reprehensible people have a second fuel tank in their Landie (under the passenger seat)so when their reg tank is dipped they are found to be behaving completely innocently.This kind of tax-dodging is anti-social,and completely reprehensible...(I'd hang them!)
Hanging is too good for them! They get these valving diagrams off 'tinternet and away they go. Totally, utterly, indefensible.
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Post: # 224706Post oldjerry
Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:22 pm

Sadly even Red is getting a bit pricey.You could make friends with the lady from the chip shop,there's loads about filtering the old oil on line.You need a deisel that's pre common - rail and preferably with a Bosch fuel pump(ie anything German plus Volvo) other pre common - rails are ok but I know people that have had a few probs with fords etc, so best mix it with a bit of diesel(say 50/50).There's a load of disinformation put about re engine damage etc,but it's a common thing to do round here(and come MOT time you will definitely pass the emissions test !)

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Post: # 224722Post pumpy
Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:51 pm

Don't see why people are looking to do illegal stuff while us legal people are paying our way. However, going back to the question, using red on site is perfectly o.k. as long as it is private land and, therefore, not subject to Highways Regulations. Agricultural vehicles and registered "plant" traffic are the only ones allowed on public roads using red. It's a bummer but thats the way it is. :icon_smile:
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Post: # 224723Post madabouthens
Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:07 pm

The powers that be can also come onto your own land and dip diesel vehicles unless they are registered for agricultural use, which does not include landrovers. I know, because they came onto our holding, but I am a law abiding citizen...so all ok :thumbright:
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Post: # 224734Post oldjerry
Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:55 pm

[quote="pumpy"]Don't see why people are looking to do illegal stuff .

Cos that's the only way SOME people can get by.

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Post: # 225149Post pumpy
Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:55 pm

hi oldjerry, it's the only reason that a lot of us get by....... but it still don't make it right. :dontknow:
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Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:10 pm

pumpy wrote:hi oldjerry, it's the only reason that a lot of us get by....... but it still don't make it right. :dontknow:
Now now kind Sir, I think it's just a personal moral thing, people bend the law in all kinds of 'little' ways and decide for themselves whether or not it is offensive to their own conscience & worth the risk of the potential criminal pusnishment. Besides, isn't ateast one of the ideas pertaining to 'ishness' to distance yourself even a tiny bit from consumerism/capitalism?
If the only issue is tax, wouldn't it be equally as relevant to judge anyone in the forums who doesn't pay duty on the Tobacco they grow themselves too?

That said, I am a newbie.
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Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:10 pm

Being absolutely pedantic, there is no duty on growing tobacco in the UK. Only at the point of shredding the final product does duty become payable. THEN you can giggle at your little victory over the taxman.

Not that I EVER would, naturally.

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Post: # 225899Post CasperCastle
Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:12 am

"I stand corrected"... Said the man in the oethopedic shoes.

...But, quips aside, pedantic you are, heh! - as I clearly wasn't refering to Nicotiana grown as an ornamental. And refering to it instead as tobacco very much has all the implications of me making reference to anyone growing it with the intention of preparing it for smoking.

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Post: # 225908Post oldjerry
Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:56 am

[quote="MKG"]Being absolutely pedantic, there is no duty on growing tobacco in the UK. Only at the point of shredding the final product does duty become payable.
Sometime ago ,OK yonks ago,you could grow your own and then send it off to some govt place to be dried,shredded etc(then presumably they sent it back to you)There's a chapter on this in an early 50's book by L .D. Hills (God) ,I've looked all over for it,but it's probably in a packing case somewhere.

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