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Post: # 2219Post mountaingirl »

:flower: Hi sufficientishers,

I will soon be living very high on a mountain and it will be really hard to get shopping more than once a month.

I will bake my own bread, grow pumpkins to make pumpkin pie in the winter.

Anyone got any other ideas for making real savings, a lot of stuff in tescos is really cheap but there must be other money-saving ideas?
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mountaingirl wrote:Anyone got any other ideas for making real savings, a lot of stuff in tescos is really cheap but there must be other money-saving ideas?
Others here will be better able to tell you about planning crops throughout the year, and even planning a seasonal diet. There are several frugality websites (put 'frugality' or '"voluntary simplicity"' into your favourite search engine) and books. Most of them are American, so you may need to adapt.

Many of them approach frugality from the other end - saving money to be better off, rather than because funds are limited, or to reduce comsumption (I recently read a book called How To Live Without Electricity & Like It, but it didn't consider that position from a philosophical point of view at all). For some it seems to be a spiritual journey; for others it's just another way to consume as much as they can.

These might be good starting places:
http://www.frugal.org.uk/
http://www.simplyliving.org/sl/

You are going to discover just how creative and resourceful you can be with what you have, rather than assuming that you need to buy something new. Don't forget that the cheap stuff in Tescos is there to encourage you to spend more money. Don't shop when you're hungry.

I really wish you good luck in this.
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Post: # 2222Post Wombat »

G'DAy Mountaingirl,

I agree with and echo Stew's sentiments above.

You're asking a pretty broad question Mountaingirl! :mrgreen:

I will make one suggestion, a process to use to work out where to start first! Use the 80:20 (pareto) process that says on average 80% of your outgo will be on 20% of your bills. So have a go at analysing what you spend. One way is to write everything :pale: (and I mean everything) that you spend down and then after a month or two analyse where your money is going. Sometimes it can be surprising!

Anyway, then you can hit your big ticket items first, to get your best return-for-effort. Whaderyereckoneh?

Hope this helps :wink:

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One of the best books I have read on the subject of frugality is Frugal Living for Dummies by Deborah Taylor-Hough - I got it from the library, so I started well by not paying for it! It is American, but I still found most of it relevant.

I think once you cannot get to a supermarket, you will easily find you can do without. Presumably there will be other humans around you? They will know where to buy what you cannot produce yourself, and if you get to know your neighbours, even if they are 2 miles down the track, you might be able to trade.

It sounds as if it will be lovely Mountaingirl!

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Definetly worth looking into is foraging try this book, http://www.eco-logicbooks.com/index.cfm ... iate_id=18

I have used the same book out around Bath and I must warn that it takes a bit practice to forage properally see my account about it on http://selfsufficientish.com/wild.htm. Hopefully some of the more obvious plants will be around like blackberries, elder, apple and mushrooms - see [A HREF="http://www.eco-logicbooks.com/?affiliate_id=18"]mushrooms.[/a]
while we are on the subject have a look out our small wild food section on the main site http://www.selfsufficientish.com/#wildfood


I have become king at using left overs as I hate waste of any kind, I shall have to start to write down some of the things that I make and put them on the site to help you and others out. But dave wrote something about this a while back see - http://www.selfsufficientish.com/budget.htm

also you will need to find out about how to preserve food if you have a glut during harvest time see http://www.eco-logicbooks.com/?affiliate_id=18" and also have a look at the food drier article that nev has written this month.

Theres something for you to be going on with :mrgreen:
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Post: # 2240Post mountaingirl »

Thanks Stew, Nev, Chickenlady and Andy.
Lots of good ideas and links there for me to check out which I will do. :cheers:

My problem is largely financial so anything I do has do be money-saving.

As I said most of the food items I purchase form T***o are cheaper to buy than grow or produce. However, I agree that one should grow food.....if we do have an oil-based recession then food prices could rise and it is better to have a production operation up and running.

In the Northern Ireland northern climate one can best grow root vegetables for winter storage; especially marrows, pumpkins and onions. I just spoke to the landlord and he said that he will give me a good sized garden for growing.

As with all these things initial investment is the first hurdle. For instance a polytunnel will mean one can grow more sensitive plants like lettuce and tomatoes while protecting cabbages from sluggies and other pests.

I have a reasonably high frugality level at the moment Chickenlady, I rarely buy luxuries and being a veggie helps but I will go over the links and check for more ideas.....getting rid of SKY was one!

I had a romantic notion of taking a plot of turf (peat) having it cut and then stacking the turfs to dry ready to be transported up to the house. But I have since discovered that it is actually cheaper to just buy it at a pound a bag from a supplier. That is just one example of how doing things oneself can be more time-consuming and more expensive. It is getting the balance right between affordable self-sufficiency and capitulating to the system!

Great idea Nev to write all the costs down for a couple of months. I will certainly do that especially to study oil v turf costs.

As to scavenging Andy there wont be much to find up there. But I will look for mushrooms and see what fruit grows wild.

Again initial investment of a deep freezer could be considered to store veggies and fruit for winter......but would the UK electric costs not mean it would be cheaper to just buy fresh? I'll have to see. Your link on preservation will be worth a good study and I will read Nev's article.

One little thing, I said in an other post that the engineer is linking the range to the central heating but the landlord now tells me that the fuel efficiency of the range is so low as to only produce enough energy to heat a radiator in the kitchen!

So to save energy I will possibly have to let most of the house freeze during the day and spend the time in the kitchen/sitingroom area with the range, setting the central heating to come on before bed time and in the early morning.

I wonder Andy if there could be any way we could post pics? Someone has offered to do a little digital photo shoot so I can show you all the new place.
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mountaingirl wrote:I wonder Andy if there could be any way we could post pics? Someone has offered to do a little digital photo shoot so I can show you all the new place.
mountaingirl :cat:
You can post pics as long as they are linked to an external site. I plan to make it so you can and we will host the images but at the moment we are very close to the top ammount of our diskspace so it is not really possible without having to delete some articles. So will have to wait till we change hosts before that happens.

I think that there are some sites out there that will host your pics for nowt. I cant remember the coding off the top of my head to reference a pic. If you find one on the site click on view source on your browser and have a read.
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Andy Hamilton wrote:
mountaingirl wrote:I wonder Andy if there could be any way we could post pics? Someone has offered to do a little digital photo shoot so I can show you all the new place.
mountaingirl :cat:
You can post pics as long as they are linked to an external site. I plan to make it so you can and we will host the images but at the moment we are very close to the top ammount of our diskspace so it is not really possible without having to delete some articles. So will have to wait till we change hosts before that happens.

I think that there are some sites out there that will host your pics for nowt. I cant remember the coding off the top of my head to reference a pic. If you find one on the site click on view source on your browser and have a read.
Thanks Andy,
Just a thought. There is always the possibility of opening a Yahoo group as an outreach from the site?

They could host pics and files free and if not listed on the Yahoo group index no-one outside this site would even know? :cat:

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Post: # 2257Post Muddypause »

Hello Mountaingirl,

You could try a free photo hosting service like http://tinypic.com/. You upload an image there, and they will give you a url. You can then give us links to your pics.

In theory, you can make the image appear right in you message here (press the "Img" button, type the url, then pres the "Img" button again), but I've just uploaded a test image and it doesn't seem to work:

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Maybe someone can see what I'm doing wrong. Perhaps it's just incompatible with this type of forum.
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Muddypause wrote: Maybe someone can see what I'm doing wrong. Perhaps it's just incompatible with this type of forum.
Should be fine with this type of forum. try it with < tage instead of [ one

eg <img src="http://www.selfsufficientish.com/flowerlogo.gif" border="0" />

lets see if it works
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hmm not quite sure, help :roll:
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Brilliant, cheers Rhyddid.
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Post: # 2264Post Muddypause »

Hmm. That seems to amount to the same thing as what I did.

Test:

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Still not working. The url works fine in my browser. Wonder what's going wrong.

I'll have to try a few things out in the 'Practice' section
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try with the www sometimes you need the whole url for things to work.
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