marshlander wrote:I was thinking of the wife swap freegans - they were discussed on another thread. As we have a National Health Service, schools, libraries etc that rely on national insurance and taxation for funding shouldn't everybody contribute? If freegans can live completely 'off grid' then fine but not off all the ordinary hardworking people in this country!
Ok, I did not see that wife swap but I bet it was cut to make the people look bad.
I might not call myself 100% freegan but I do like to get stuff for nothing. If stuff is kept out of landfill then we all benefit with lower council tax bills and cleaner air with less incineration plants; not to mention less need to ruin our countryside by digging holes and filling them with rubbish. So even the total freeloader is saying us money! Also the top earners of this country pay the least in taxes: when I became self employed I was amazed as to how little tax and NI I had to pay and that was without having an accountant. I pay £28 a month NI which next to nothing. Even when I was only earning 130 quid a week I was paying more than that! Not saying I earn a fortune as I am still on a pretty low wage, but being s.e. just opened my eyes to how much can be deducted.
I just don't agree that squatting is a right. That doesn't mean I think that houses should be left empty and or delapidated - I don't! I would prefer that local government take action after a house has been reported empty for a period of time after which is is purchased and put in the hands of a housing association.
There are art groups in and around Bristol that are legally squatting buildings, they help keep the buildings from falling into dissrepair and are giving back a valuable resource to some of the most deprived areas of the city. GOOD ON EM! That is something positive that is being done and you are also right if the money raised when the right to buy was first introduced we would have more house for everyone, less need for people to squat. This is a very big issue and I could rant on and on about it, but if a house is empty then I see no wrong is someone living there. Just as long as it is respected and no damage is done and that they leave should the owner want to move back in. - hmm, can't see that always happening though.
As freegans just scavenge their lifestyle is not sustainable - if the supermarkets get their act together or better still, we bring about their demise and get back to local shops and markets where will they liberate food?
worked for the fox! No seriously, nor is the weekends in ikea lifestyle. Forget about food, I don't really take food from bins, I do forage in parks and take fruit from trees in public places. Mankind has done that for a while have we not?
We've worked bloody hard for what we have and yes, to quote a freegan site "work means sacrificing our freedom to take orders from someone else, stress, boredom, monotony," Well learn a trade, cut grass, grow stuff, work for yourself, be an artist, do social work, not scrounge!
I'll get back into my little box now I've had a rant!
I still work, as do other people who get stuff for nothing in fact these days I am increasingly working for nothing. I would much rather help make a sustainable structure for a charity and get paid in tea than work in a data entry job for to help get some fat cat get fatter.
This is in no way a personal attack (although I am sticking up for my little brother a bit since he was mentioned), I just really wanted to state that a freegan is not necessarily a free loader.