Energy Prices

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How many percent do YOU reckon fuel/energy prices will rise over the next 5 years?

between nil and 20%
1
2%
20-50%
10
22%
50-75%
7
16%
100 - 150%
13
29%
more than 150%
13
29%
it won't rise (there's bound to be one!)
1
2%
 
Total votes: 45

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Post: #103747 Martin
Sat May 17, 2008 4:27 pm

it's going to affect all of us - how much do YOU reckon it'll go up by?
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Post: #103819 The Riff-Raff Element
Sat May 17, 2008 9:05 pm

Maybe as much as 50%. I'm erring on the low side because we've reached a point where taking steps to cut consumption (replacing cars with more economic models, adding more insulation, installing solar, etc) becomes very quickly cost effective. That should start to cap consumption.

Oil going to $200 per bbl ( as Goldman Sachs have suggested, so I'd guess they'd be long because most of the time they can't trade their way out of a wet paper bag) I'd say is unlikely and probably not a good sign as it would sugget demand is holding up despite the hike in cost.
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Post: #103848 Millymollymandy
Sun May 18, 2008 6:20 am

What I use, predominantly electricity and wood, hasn't gone up much in the last 3 years (before that I was unaware of how much they cost!). I am so pleased we had a wood burning stove installed and our electricity costs are low due to the special tariff we chose to go on. It could be a lot worse!

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Post: #103852 Martin
Sun May 18, 2008 7:06 am

I'm amazed at some of the really low predictions..........heating oil for instance in the last 18 months has gone up by 92%......... :shock:
It's easy to under-estimate by looking at motor fuel costs because a large component of the price is tax, but something like heating oil shows the "real" escalating price.......
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Post: #103863 ina
Sun May 18, 2008 8:36 am

My prediction is at least 100%; even if oil prices themselves (crude) won't go up that much, the companies will find a way to raise them higher... :?
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Post: #103876 caithnesscrofter
Sun May 18, 2008 9:22 am

on a safe guess, at least 100 but, 200% wouldnt surprise me. It isnt heating costs that worry me. I mean come on, were lucky, we live in a country with an extremely mild climate. My bro-in-law has been living in the north of scotland with no heating whatsoever 4 the past ten years. If fuel rises much higher the price of food will be phenomenol. Pharmaceuticals will be more expensive, anything produced by machinery or is produced from by products of the oil industry will be vastly more expensive; namely pharmaceuticals, plastics and alot of basic building supplies even clothing. What about everything we import?

When you consider the entire education system 4 the past 50 years in most of the western world has been training our children, including myself, how to procure their basic needs through capitalist means and interdependence and barely any of them have a clue how to grow a carrot we've got big problems folks.

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Post: #103900 The Riff-Raff Element
Sun May 18, 2008 3:56 pm

Martin wrote:I'm amazed at some of the really low predictions..........heating oil for instance in the last 18 months has gone up by 92%......... :shock:
It's easy to under-estimate by looking at motor fuel costs because a large component of the price is tax, but something like heating oil shows the "real" escalating price.......


The best cure for high prices is high prices.

People find alternatives and the time frame is about right.

All over the place I see solar panels going up: we're getting them and so are at least twenty other houses in the village. Virtually every new build is being heated with heat pumps. As we are nowhere near a gas main it is almost always LPG or heating oil that is being usurped.

I can't see prices going down, not for any sustained period, anyway: the combined control of OPEC and Russia over supplies is now far too strong. Forget the Western oil companies: they are bit players in comparison and have little or no influence over events - or prices - any longer.

Personally I think prices at this level or higher is quite a good thing. Might make the world at large challenge their dependence on hydrocarbon. It might also start to put the breaks on globalisation, which, again, I don't think would be a bad thing at all.

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Post: #103915 Big Al
Sun May 18, 2008 6:06 pm

The Riff-Raff Element wrote:
Martin wrote:I'm amazed at some of the really low predictions..........heating oil for instance in the last 18 months has gone up by 92%......... :shock:
It's easy to under-estimate by looking at motor fuel costs because a large component of the price is tax, but something like heating oil shows the "real" escalating price.......


The best cure for high prices is high prices.

People find alternatives and the time frame is about right.

All over the place I see solar panels going up: we're getting them and so are at least twenty other houses in the village. Virtually every new build is being heated with heat pumps. As we are nowhere near a gas main it is almost always LPG or heating oil that is being usurped.

I can't see prices going down, not for any sustained period, anyway: the combined control of OPEC and Russia over supplies is now far too strong. Forget the Western oil companies: they are bit players in comparison and have little or no influence over events - or prices - any longer.

Personally I think prices at this level or higher is quite a good thing. Might make the world at large challenge their dependence on hydrocarbon. It might also start to put the breaks on globalisation, which, again, I don't think would be a bad thing at all.



Actually you have hit the nail on the head. I bought a 1968 Jaguar MKii a couple of years ago as a restoration project. I had planned to spend around £15k on restoring it and taking another 5 years to do it but the thought of only getting 20 mpg in five years time is making me shudder. I actually think that I will not be able to drive the dammed thing so why spend the hard earned money over such a sustained period just to look at it in the garage.

I reckon it's time to ditch it and cut my losses.

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Post: #104008 Thurston Garden
Mon May 19, 2008 11:01 am

I have just ordered heating oil today. :oops: Looking back through my folder, here's some prices:

May 2004: 19.47ppl
Jan 2006: 34.50ppl
Today: 62.50ppl

Now thats a 321% increase in 4 years.

So on that basis, oil could be £2 a litre in another 4 years. Why oh why did we put in an oil Rayburn in 2004?
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Post: #104090 happy place
Mon May 19, 2008 4:09 pm

I know this is a bit cheeky but if you want to look at saving some money on your phone bills, gas and electric bills, broad band and mobiles take a look at www.myfunlife.co.uk. Hope you don't mind my adding this here






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Post: #104123 ina
Mon May 19, 2008 5:56 pm

That might help some folk who are in a tight spot just now - but really, I'm more interested in saving energy than saving money.
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Post: #104147 ajstone
Mon May 19, 2008 7:14 pm

I'm more interested in saving energy than saving money
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Me too, I'm going to spend the night in the chair.


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Post: #104219 ina
Tue May 20, 2008 7:55 am

ajstone wrote:
I'm more interested in saving energy than saving money
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Me too, I'm going to spend the night in the chair.


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Don't forget to turn off the PC, though! :wink:
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Post: #104221 Thurston Garden
Tue May 20, 2008 8:17 am

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Post: #104223 ina
Tue May 20, 2008 8:25 am

Well - demand is still rising, isn't it? So I suppose the rise in production will only just cover that. Whatever they do, the more they raise production, the sooner they'll run out.
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