VITAMIN K injection

Any issues with what nappies to buy, home schooling etc. In fact if you have kids or are planning to this is the section for you.
User avatar
Urban Ayisha
Living the good life
Living the good life
Posts: 255
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:50 pm
Location: London, UK

VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113488 Urban Ayisha
Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:11 pm

What are people thinking about the vitamin k injection that they say your baby needs as soon as its born? pros and cons?

User avatar
gigglybug
A selfsufficientish Regular
A selfsufficientish Regular
Posts: 544
Joined: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:36 pm
Location: Somerset

Re: VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113534 gigglybug
Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:30 pm

I opted against it and my LO had the oral dose. The midwife forget to give it to her, until I reminded her :angryfire: (much apologising by midwife!) I think as long as you make sure she gets it, the oral is fine, I didn't like the idea of the injection. If you have to formula feed it contains Vit K anyway.
Amanda

Facebook group : http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34623838139
If your near W-S-M please join!

MrsD'ville mkII
Living the good life
Living the good life
Posts: 255
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:24 pm

Re: VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113553 MrsD'ville mkII
Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:19 pm

Hi. DD had the low oral dose for several weeks. It was a doddle to give it to her and as I recall it was once a week for six weeks or something. We plan to do the same with Brian.
Raising four from 1 to 17 in ruralmost Herefordshire: http://39again.wordpress.opensure.net/

User avatar
Annpan
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 5464
Joined: Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:43 pm
Location: Lanarkshire, Scotland

Re: VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113557 Annpan
Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:32 pm

Can anyone explain why you go for oral instead of injection? E had the injection, within minutes I think.
Ann Pan

"Some days you're the dog,
some days you're the lamp-post"

My blog
My Tea Cosy Shop
Some photos
My eBay

User avatar
gigglybug
A selfsufficientish Regular
A selfsufficientish Regular
Posts: 544
Joined: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:36 pm
Location: Somerset

Re: VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113582 gigglybug
Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:18 am

I just didn't want my LO to have an injection, no other reason
Amanda

Facebook group : http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34623838139
If your near W-S-M please join!

MrsD'ville mkII
Living the good life
Living the good life
Posts: 255
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:24 pm

Re: VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113593 MrsD'ville mkII
Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:40 am

Me too, was just soppiness on our part!
Raising four from 1 to 17 in ruralmost Herefordshire: http://39again.wordpress.opensure.net/

User avatar
barefootlinzi
Barbara Good
Barbara Good
Posts: 196
Joined: Sun May 04, 2008 8:49 pm

Re: VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113597 barefootlinzi
Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:02 am

its also because with the jab the whole dose is given at once (which some people think is too much so soon after birth) but with the oral it is given gradually
There is no other organ like the uterus. If men had such an organ they would brag about it.

Earth mama to two beautiful boys

starchild
Barbara Good
Barbara Good
Posts: 115
Joined: Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:27 pm

Re: VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113618 starchild
Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:57 pm

we didn't have any vit K :)b
Follow our family's progress as we work through our zero waste challenge:
http://myzerowaste.com/

For all aspects of greener living
http://littlegreenblog.com/

User avatar
lsm1066
Living the good life
Living the good life
Posts: 322
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:58 pm
Location: East Midlands

Re: VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113669 lsm1066
Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:42 pm

Ah! Maternity. My specialist subject.

Some time back the Vit K injection was linked to infant leukemia, so people opted for the oral dose instead. If you formula feed, Vit K is already in the formula, so your baby only has one or two doses. However, if you breastfeed, your baby isn't necessarily getting "enough" Vit K and so more doses are given. And of course, babies spit half of it straight back at you. As far as I know, the link was never conclusively proved.

My kids didn't have Vit K at all. On my birth plan, I put that if I had a prolonged second stage or an operative or assisted delivery (caesarean, forceps or ventouse) then they should have it. Otherwise, absolutely not. My reasons were nothing to do with the potential link to leukemia but simply that nature usually gets things pretty right, so babies must be born with low levels of a blood clotting agent for a reason.

Let's look at why Vit K is given. There is a rare condition called Haemorhagic Disease of the Newborn (HDN). Basically, due to low levels of clotting factors in the blood, bleeding can occur in various sites including the brain. This is most often found in babies who've had any kind of birth where head "trauma" is involved, such as ventouse or forceps delivery, or a prolonged second (pushing) stage of labour. According to the paediatric consultant I worked with on patient information about Vit K, it is also most common in Afro-Caribbean populations. His estimation of the risk of a baby having HDN was this.

"Whether it is because we now give Vit K I don't know. But HDN is so rare that it is highly unlikely that I will ever see a case of it in my entire career". He was 35 at the time, so had quite a long career ahead of him. Current UK statistics are that it occurs in 8.6 per 100,000 births. That's 0.000086% of all live births in the UK.

The thing about Vit K is that if your baby doesn't have it and they develop HDN, they can be given it as the first line of treatment. If they've already had it and they get HDN, then treatment continues in a different way. Treatment of HDN with Vitamin K is nearly always successful. Ultimately, the choice is yours. But when you make your choice, put it in your birth plan and make sure everyone who looks after you during labour sees it. I say this only because when my ds1 was born his heart rate had dipped to 70 bpm. So he was taken out of the room for oxygen (no-one told us where he was going, why he was going, or asked if dh wanted to go with him). When I got our discharge notes, it stated that he had been given Vit K by injection. When I queried it, they said that he had been given it during resuss, which was without our consent.

Hope that helps.

Lynne

MrsD'ville mkII
Living the good life
Living the good life
Posts: 255
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:24 pm

Re: VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113735 MrsD'ville mkII
Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:12 pm

That's really interesting and very informative, thank you :study:
Raising four from 1 to 17 in ruralmost Herefordshire: http://39again.wordpress.opensure.net/

User avatar
citizentwiglet
A selfsufficientish Regular
A selfsufficientish Regular
Posts: 848
Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:02 pm
Location: Just outside Glasgow

Re: VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113761 citizentwiglet
Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:33 pm

Ellis also had the injection without my consent. I have a thrombophilic genetic disorder called Factor V Leiden and, although I wasn't entirely against the idea of the vitamin K jab per se, I wanted the haemotologist to check Ellis' platelet count before making a decision, in case I had passed the disorder onto him.
The haemo did check him out three days after he was born, and the results came back fine. I then gave my consent for it to be given, to be told he had already received it. They had given it to him whilst I'd been in the shower! I was furious.
I took my dog to play frisbee. She was useless. I think I need a flatter dog.

http://reflectionsinraindrops.wordpress.com - My blog
http://www.bothwellscarecrowfestival.co.uk - Scarecrow Festival
http://bothwellcommunitygarden.wordpress.com - Community Garden

MrsD'ville mkII
Living the good life
Living the good life
Posts: 255
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:24 pm

Re: VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113764 MrsD'ville mkII
Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:04 pm

citizentwiglet wrote:They had given it to him whilst I'd been in the shower! I was furious.


That's really quite shocking, I would have been furious too, especially with all those extra protective hormones flying about. Did you get an apology or an explanation or anything?
Raising four from 1 to 17 in ruralmost Herefordshire: http://39again.wordpress.opensure.net/

User avatar
citizentwiglet
A selfsufficientish Regular
A selfsufficientish Regular
Posts: 848
Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:02 pm
Location: Just outside Glasgow

Re: VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113765 citizentwiglet
Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:07 pm

Their explanation was a shrug of 'Well, he hadn't had it, and not having it can be very bad you know'. It was at that point I knew I was just being bullied by one particular midwife (very long story) and decided that we were discharging ourselves. Never got round to discharging ourselves in a fit of pique though, as the doctor decided we were both fit to go home about 10 minutes later, so I didn't get a chance to strop.
I took my dog to play frisbee. She was useless. I think I need a flatter dog.

http://reflectionsinraindrops.wordpress.com - My blog
http://www.bothwellscarecrowfestival.co.uk - Scarecrow Festival
http://bothwellcommunitygarden.wordpress.com - Community Garden

User avatar
lsm1066
Living the good life
Living the good life
Posts: 322
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:58 pm
Location: East Midlands

Re: VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113833 lsm1066
Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:44 am

Yes, fascinating how you're fit for discharge when you have something to complain about isn't it? I never got an apology either. Just an "oh well, he seems fine" from the discharging midwife.

Interestingly, when we came up from delivery suite, my name was on the board with "caesarean" next to it. Apparently they'd decided that my labour wasn't going the way they wanted it to so they assumed I'd just have a section. Apparently 22 hours of contractions that do nothing followed by 3 hours to the end of 3rd stage isn't normal. Who knew? lol

Lynne

User avatar
citizentwiglet
A selfsufficientish Regular
A selfsufficientish Regular
Posts: 848
Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:02 pm
Location: Just outside Glasgow

Re: VITAMIN K injection

Post: #113837 citizentwiglet
Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:19 am

lsm1066 wrote:Yes, fascinating how you're fit for discharge when you have something to complain about isn't it?
Lynne


You know, I'd never thought of it like that before.....another thing that happened with the hound of a midwife was some rather insensitive comments written in my white ante-natal/birth book (all written by the same midwife, incidently) along the lines of 'Mum is panicking AGAIN' (my son was refusing to breastfeed), 'Mum grumpy at being woken up' (mum was awake and attached to a breastpump between the hours of 11pm and 4am Monday morning, having had no sleep since waking up in labour at 7.00am on the Saturday, and had dared to drift off to sleep), 'Mum too busy moaning to bother trying to breastfeed successfully'....funnily enough, when I tried to register my complaint, the book has 'gone missing'. Mmmm.
She'd better not be there when I'm admitted in November - I'm helluva lot bolshier these days!
I took my dog to play frisbee. She was useless. I think I need a flatter dog.

http://reflectionsinraindrops.wordpress.com - My blog
http://www.bothwellscarecrowfestival.co.uk - Scarecrow Festival
http://bothwellcommunitygarden.wordpress.com - Community Garden


Return to “Eco Parenting”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests