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Kezz wrote:I've used soya milk instead of cow milk for about 8 years now and for the last 3 (ish) have had severe eczema working it's way all over both hands. I'd not heard of this before. I've had the full set of allergies, asthma and eczema since I was 4, we quit cow milk mainly because we were avoiding growth hormones. But it's also supposed to be one of the causes of those 3 aliments.

I thought soya was safe I hate black tea :/

Sorry to hear that, Kezz. Personally we have no discernible problems with soya products, though to be honest we use few. The OH likes one particular brand of soya milk (Sunrise, made using organic European beans) for her tea and I'd use a some making soda bread (which is on another thread) but that's all.

Our preference for home-produced and/or simple food (who was it said, don't eat anything with ingredients you wouldn't find on your average kitchen shelf?) would lessen our exposure to soya.

Soya is a cheap filler for the profit-seekers. Also, around 95% of soya is actually fed straight to farmed animals - that might prove to be a problem long term too.

Kezz wrote: Adults don't need milk, it's for infants, and cross species consumption is a little weird if you think about it.... If you wouldn't drink human breastmilk now it's twice as strange to drink cow milk surely?

This is something I've said to people in the past but I stopped when they just end up thinking me odd for even thinking about it! And there is the problem - people don't like to face truths which conflict with and threaten their comfort.

Kezz wrote:I find the smell of cow milk disgusting and can tell instantly if some do gooder has spiked my tea with it. Once you stop drinking it you can understand why other some other cultures think we smell bad, if they consume little to no dairy we must all stink to them lol.

I have eschewed the products of animal lactation for a long, long time but not thought about that, Kezz. Fascinating.

Good luck with your search.

Going back to the soya issue, apart from soy sauce (and Chinese food) what else would I find it in? I don't eat/drink soya milk or those meat substitutes made from soy beans.

Most supermarket breads and pizzas come to the top of my mind. But a quick Scroogle brings up:

http://www.neisd.net/foodserv/HTML/docu ... 3Jan09.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy_allergy

http://foodallergens.ifr.ac.uk/ingredients.html

Kezz wrote:

oldjerry wrote:Hmm..is it any different to killing said species and eating them..dunno..
Goat milk only tastes 'goaty' if you: 1. Keep a billy, or at least keep it close to the nannies.
2.Boil the milk.
3.Don't keep muslins,equipment etc. scrupulously clean.

Well that's another argument entirely as some animals do kill and eat others, no animal milks another except us lol.

Is the chalky taste the goaty taste?

skiesabove wrote: 1:1 or 1:2 of oats:water, mix, let sit overnight, stir, sieve =). You can add a little oil for a richer flavour.

Can you just use porridge oats?

1. True,but generally speaking ,no other animal farms...(that's probably complete crap,but I HATE wildlife progs,so how would I Know?)
2.Not sure what you mean by chalky,the goatiness is both a smell and a taste.

Ants keep milking "cows". whats the name in english, leaflice?

skiesabove wrote:Ants keep milking "cows". whats the name in english, leaflice?

Aphids. I think.

skiesabove wrote:Ants keep milking "cows".

I think that's more akin to symbiosis.

I reckon goat milk might be good for that too!

greenorelse wrote:Most supermarket breads and pizzas come to the top of my mind. But a quick Scroogle brings up:

http://www.neisd.net/foodserv/HTML/docu ... 3Jan09.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy_allergy

http://foodallergens.ifr.ac.uk/ingredients.html

Mashed potato loomed out at me from one of the lists and I was thinking 'Not in my house'! I forgot such a thing was actually buyable in some countries!

Thanks for the links - I couldn't for the life of me think of anything and I didn't know it was made into flour either.

My daughter, despite thoroughly raised in the internet age, doesn't rely on the web for soya information, so she tells me. Instead, they scrutinise each label each time they buy a product: she's found things can change fast - something apparently free of soya one week can annoyingly include it the next. Nightmare.

They do use the web if they're planning a night out - many restaurants will publish their menus and ingredients on-line - but they still have to check when they get there. In this day and age, you find that most restaurants don't want a law suit on their hands and so will accept at face value a request for 'whatever-free' food.

Here's a good example of an obliging restaurant - just look at the number of items containing soya.

Just a quick update on this, I stopped the soya milk when it ran out. I've worked my way through most of the other non dairy substitutes and not really found one I like as much as soya yet, almond milk is the last one I'm trying.

BUT my excema is completely gone I haven't been excema free for years, so I'm not going back to soya!

Kezz wrote:Just a quick update on this, I stopped the soya milk when it ran out. I've worked my way through most of the other non dairy substitutes and not really found one I like as much as soya yet, almond milk is the last one I'm trying.

BUT my excema is completely gone I haven't been excema free for years, so I'm not going back to soya!

See my post here. Almond 'milk' (essence? extract? decoction? nectar? juice?) is her favourite so far. The resultant almond mush, I have tried it with sea salt and quite like it.

Also, the mush from making cashew nut squilk can be mixed with white wine, nutritional yeast, salt, pepper, lemon juice and garlic and is delish on toast or crackers.

That is really good news about the excema, kezz and vindicates what I know about soya.