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Post: # 20535Post Stonehead »

Well, one man and his Other Half! :mrgreen:

We've completely failed to persuade any of our local farmers to top our field for us because it's too small a job (six acres) or they're too busy. So, I've just ordered two Austrian scythes for us and we're going to do it the old-fashioned way.

I've used a scythe before (but a long time ago), while the OH is a complete beginner. Who's going to take off the other's leg first? :mrgreen:

Mind you, this will really confirm we're bonkers to the locals. We plough by hand, hoe by hand, plant by hand, fence by hand, and now we're going to mow by hand.

However, we have mechanised harrowing. I bought an old horse harrow (£10) and, with a couple of logs on top, will tow it behind the Land Rover. Dragging pine trees around by hand proved to be one manual job too far! :mrgreen:

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Again... I'm surprised at the lack of assistance - especially when you are prepared to pay for it!! I can see an opening here for someone with a tractor who could go and provide this sort of a service to various smallholders/crofters!

Ahh the scythe - want some photos taking??? Have had a go at using a scythe when we lived at the house we rented in Kildrummy several years ago - there was a field behind the house and it was overgrown with grass.... no way we could get a mower up the steep steps so we used a scythe... GREAT exercise!! Hey, maybe you should set up a green gym at your place and get people to come and do it for you at the same time as getting fit!!!
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Shirlz2005 wrote:Again... I'm surprised at the lack of assistance - especially when you are prepared to pay for it!! I can see an opening here for someone with a tractor who could go and provide this sort of a service to various smallholders/crofters!
You saw what people were like at the dispersal sale - wouldn't help even when offered money.

We've have the same thing with builders and plumbers. While I can do a fair bit of building work myself and some plumbing jobs, there are some jobs where I'd prefer to get a professional in.

However, the locals (and by that I mean about six builders and four plumbers) don't want to do small jobs.

In contrast, when I was renovating a house in London, my builder and plumber were only too pleased to have small jobs that they could fit in around their main jobs. That way, if a big job was held up by weather, by other contractors, wrong materials etc, they could leave that job and come and do mine.

There are a couple of locals up here who do similar things (Ron from the plant hire business, Ernie the butcher), but most aren't interested.

If I could raise the cash for a tractor and some machinery, I'd definitely be able to make a bit from doing topping, slashing, hedge cutting etc for smallholders, crofters and horse owners. However, I'd need a reliable tractor with a V5 and at least 70hp for some of the bigger jobs - and they're not cheap.
Ahh the scythe - want some photos taking??? Have had a go at using a scythe when we lived at the house we rented in Kildrummy several years ago - there was a field behind the house and it was overgrown with grass.... no way we could get a mower up the steep steps so we used a scythe... GREAT exercise!! Hey, maybe you should set up a green gym at your place and get people to come and do it for you at the same time as getting fit!!!
Ah, yes, I can see myself now, out on the hill in my designer sports gear, whistle around my neck, dozens of leotard clad fatties scything away and my Land Rover set up with a powerful sound system playing the Wurzels...

I could even uses quotes about Scything and Erotic Fulfilment to really draw the punters in! Don't believe me? Read this.
Hmm, that's now got me thinking about farming songs. I might have to start a new thread.

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And you could make them pay through their noses for it, too!

Those unhelpful people - I fear that mainly they are "lifestyle farmers". How I hate that word... It keeps cropping up when you see advertisements for potential smallholdings for sale: Would suit lifestyle purchasers. Blast! Any farmer has a "lifestyle" - but that's not what they mean! They don't want smallholders like yourself (or like I would be, if I could get a place); they want townies with lots of money, two or three horses, and maybe a pedigree dog.

Most machinery is too big for small jobs nowadays - those small fields would hardly be big enough for the tractors to turn in... Gates aren't wide enough, either. With the last lot of fencing done here, the boss put in double-width gates, so that the machines for silage making can get through. I hate these big tractors and trailers. Whenever we get sawdust delivered, we have to unload it mostly by hand, because the trailers are so big that they can't be tipped high enough in the shed so that the stuff would slide down by itself! Now how daft is that... (Unloading sawdust is bloody awful work.)
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Post: # 20585Post Stonehead »

What really makes me green with envy is watching Down on the Farm.

Take tonight, the couple want to cut some logs into planks - just as I want to do. Along pops an obliging neighbour with a horizontal bandsaw and does it for them.

They want pigs, and it turns out they live in area full of smallholders and pig breeders so a quick trip down the road sees them return with two Gloucester Old Spots. No 16-hour return trips for them.

Take a previous episode - they were trying to make hay with old equipment and struggling badly. Along comes a neighbouring farmer and finishes the job for them.

And tonight, they were talking about settling in the country and finding themselves in a real community with lots of help and advice. I try asking a neighbouring sheep farmer about local conditions and suitable breeds, and you'd think I was a spy trying to breach national security.

I do like the couple and what they're trying to do, but, boy, does the TV programme make it look easy! I just hope it's not that easy in reality...

There's not much that makes me jealous, but wouldn't I just love it if things came together like it appears for them - even 25% of the time!

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Post: # 20606Post Hillbilly »

Oh scything, that brings back memories! I'm sure we have pics of the entire family out cutting the grass :mrgreen: derri boots and brown nylon shirts included (it was 1970/80's :mrgreen: )

I am also surprised about the lack of 'help'. Maybe its just the area? I know when we first moved up we were regarded as being a bit 'odd' but then we were the first English family to colonise our wee bit of NE Scotland (Grange) so the offers of help we more than likely borne from curiosity but even here, over the hill from you, I can almost guarantee you'd not be stuck. Locals are really friendly. If we had our mower we'd be there with the fergie! Its a bloody shame.

Am also green with envy of Rob and Anna (DOTF) - only because they have 47 acres though.

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Hillbilly wrote:I am also surprised about the lack of 'help'. Maybe its just the area? I know when we first moved up we were regarded as being a bit 'odd' but then we were the first English family to colonise our wee bit of NE Scotland (Grange) so the offers of help we more than likely borne from curiosity but even here, over the hill from you, I can almost guarantee you'd not be stuck. Locals are really friendly. If we had our mower we'd be there with the fergie! Its a bloody shame.
Unfortunately, most of the neighbouring farms are big operations. The farmer who abuts our field has 690 acres for example.

There is the bloke across the road (who has the incredible shrinking farm) but his tractor is only just mobile and he's sold most of his implements. He now works full-time for one of the big farmers and just keeps a few sheep and cattle for himself.

Farmers aside, most of the other landowners around here are the horsey set. We have people here who commute to London, Cardiff, Birmingham and Manchester to work. The previous owners of our croft were like that (oil industry and marketing), with four horses, new Discovery, new Alfa Romeo V6, two pedigree dogs, and a football memorabilia collection.

In hindsight, we should have bought somewhere just a little further out from a city and airport. Well, okay, I admit I did have my eyes set on a very remote 6,000 acre place right up north with three lochs and two mountains (but affordable because it was too isolated even for shooting syndicates) but the OH said no! :)

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Post: # 20613Post Hillbilly »

Aye, some big farms over this side too - well we're on Forbes Estate for a start, but granted, not so many of the 'horsey' set and what there are, are limited to tiny fields.

6000 acres of remoteness - god, HEAVEN!!!!!!!!! You werent going to buy Knoydart when it was up for sale for a £1 were you? :wink:

Still think its a bloody shame that the 'help thy neighbour' has gone out the window. Well hopefully we're going to get this mower soon so give us a shout next year if you're not sorted by then.

*wander off muttering about how things aren't like the old days*

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Don't give up totally on the neighbours... am sure they will surprise you some day. Most country areas have at least a two year initiatiion where they just watch you a lot... and laugh :mrgreen:

Stoney tell ya missus to toss the scythe and just grab a big pair of habby scissors. I found that much easier and quicker when I needed to clear round the house so I could spot the sneaky snakes sidling in.

When we first got here, I mowed and mowed and mowed. It was an absolute ruddy nightmare. We are on a series of hills and mowing hills is no party. Second wet, I was determined to have that particular job sorted and had several 4 legged mowers lined up. Haven't had to start the mower since.

Have spent today hanging doors and bricking. It is really starting to come together out there. Got that window in ok (bit crooked :geek: ) and found a couple more the other day. Managed to score the old safe doors from the bank in Australia's oldest town, so got a kick out of that... I love a bit of history.

You know the whole 'working together thing'... I dunno, I think it is better to just strive for self sufficiency. Our country areas are no different... the townie tradesmen love filling their diaries and getting the jump on whatever jobs are up for grabs. Out here it is different too... they are slow, slack and generally not interested. Just leaves folks generally frustrated and we don't even try ringing them now. I just do what I can, and if I can't do it or find a different way to do it, I just don't have it.

Went without the hot water system for about a week once... thought it had had its day and knew no-one would rush out to look at it. And was scared that it would mean a replacement. When I actually got around to looking at it... it just needed a push on the reset button :mrgreen: Problem was I had no idea it had a reset button :oops: Oops.

But I guess I like that bit... the living and learning. Everyday we learn a little more about what is really sufficient for our needs, and how we can expand our skills, knowledge etc. My Grandad always told me you never pay someone for something you can do yourself. That is a real hard ethic to live by, but a good one, because it kinda keeps propelling your into having a go at new things. We don't know what we can do until we have a go... and it can be fun learning. Though I have lost count of the times, mind you, when I have found myself in the midst of some massive project and just stood there and said to the kids "What was I thinking???? Where's the phone book for Crikey's sake?" :mrgreen:

Been trying to track down terracotta pots today, to give Nev's cooler a whirl... There are lots of glazed ones about, but I want some BIG ones and they are proving kind of tricky. I think I would consider it a major life accomplishment if I could slowly divert the majority of our appliances to simpler means.

Anyway... just started raving on in your thread... Sorry about that. Am a tad sleep deprived No idea what the threads topic is now... :mrgreen: Ah, mowing - yes, let us know how you get on. That is one heck of a big job. You know they used to run teams of 20 or 30 men to cut crops that size? :pale:

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They scythed the field in 'tales from the green Valley' that was on last year(welsh farm run on tudor lines). I think that was 2 scythers.
I bet you will earn the respect of the locals after that and even if you dont, it will be a job accomplished.

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Boots wrote:Don't give up totally on the neighbours... am sure they will surprise you some day. Most country areas have at least a two year initiatiion where they just watch you a lot... and laugh :mrgreen:
Don't get me wrong, we do have some good neighbours and have found a lot of acceptance from many locals because we're doing something they respect. However, most of this group are elderly and/or retired.

A couple of retired farmers have said that if it was 10-20 years ago, they would have been over in a flash to help because that's what you do (or rather did). We're also lucky in that the blacksmith, agricultural mechanic, butcher and vet haven't yet retired as they're all fantastic country characters. When they do retire, though....

I was determined to have that particular job sorted and had several 4 legged mowers lined up. Haven't had to start the mower since.
We get sheep in later in the year, but the field needs to be topped now to stop the weeds flowering and going to seed. We have to get the timing right as we want the less invasive wildflowers (and some weeds!) to survive while stopping the dock, bracken, dandelions, nettles and ragwort from taking over.

We leave the field margins pretty wild, but that does mean weed seeds blowing into the field and that means more mowing than if we went for the modern nuked landscape!
You know the whole 'working together thing'... I dunno, I think it is better to just strive for self sufficiency. Our country areas are no different... the townie tradesmen love filling their diaries and getting the jump on whatever jobs are up for grabs. Out here it is different too... they are slow, slack and generally not interested. Just leaves folks generally frustrated and we don't even try ringing them now. I just do what I can, and if I can't do it or find a different way to do it, I just don't have it.
We're pretty self-sufficient, but also believe that no man is an island - which is what some of the people around us definitely believe. I firmly believe in offering help without thought of reward, because it's the right thing to do.

I appreciate not everyone thinks like that, so don't expect it back. What I do find irritating though, is when people say they want a financial reward for their services (which is fine) but then still can't be bothered to get off their butts while whinging about the lack of money and work. :roll:
Went without the hot water system for about a week once... thought it had had its day and knew no-one would rush out to look at it. And was scared that it would mean a replacement. When I actually got around to looking at it... it just needed a push on the reset button :mrgreen: Problem was I had no idea it had a reset button :oops: Oops.
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My Grandad always told me you never pay someone for something you can do yourself. That is a real hard ethic to live by, but a good one, because it kinda keeps propelling your into having a go at new things. We don't know what we can do until we have a go...
We're a lot like that, but sometimes there just isn't the time, resources or skills to get a critical job done.

I've done most of the pumbing repairs here myself (including installing a borehole pump with Italian instructions and no wiring diagram), but I want to make sure the UV filtration is set up properly because clean drinking water is critical to our health. (It's more complicated than just plumbing in a filter as we have to merge water from half a dozen different sources, at varying heights and pressures, and with different pumps.)

I 'd take more of a chance if our boys were older or it was just me and the OH, but I'm not going to risk it. So we're now into our fifth month of carting in drinking water...

It's the same with mowing the field. Yes, we can do it ourselves (and will), but it takes me a day to scythe half an acre. Six acres is 12 days and that's a lot to take away from other jobs.
I think I would consider it a major life accomplishment if I could slowly divert the majority of our appliances to simpler means.
Well, I've just bought a 1950s Lister LD diesel engine and water pump, so we can pump water using vegetable oil as fuel and I'm refurbishing a 1950s Lister CS Start-O-Matic generating plant to produce our own electricity using vegetable oil as fuel. Longer term, I want to fuel them using methane from pig muck!
You know they used to run teams of 20 or 30 men to cut crops that size? :pale:


Yeah, but I'm an Aussie so no probs, just get my blue singlet on, push my hat to the back of my head and do it with a tinnie in one hand! :mrgreen:

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Is there an agricultural college nearby? Perhaps you could employ some students?
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Post: # 20766Post ina »

There is - but: a) they want to be paid, and b) they aren't used to these oldfashioned methods...

You might find one or two willing to try this kind of work. But they know more about modern tractors (the type I have my problems with!), than how to use a scythe, or even a hoe. (I spent a year at that college in 2000/2001! Back then, they had a resident postgrad organic farming course - which is what I was doing there - and I'm sure some of us would have loved to help out at the weekend, even just for "payment in kind". But now they do it as a distance studying course, so that's mostly people who have that kind of smallholding or farm at home anyway, and not enough time in the day to get the work done.)
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ina wrote:There is - but: a) they want to be paid, and b) they aren't used to these oldfashioned methods...
Old-fashioned? No, it's the future once the oil runs out! :mrgreen:

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ina wrote:There is - but: a) they want to be paid, and b) they aren't used to these oldfashioned methods...

(I spent a year at that college in 2000/2001!
Which is the year I was doing one of my certs for tree surgery there too... :mrgreen:

I had a thought though - on top of the offer already extended for next year - why not approach one of the tractor heritage societies? I know a couple of farms/smallholders oop north who hold 'ploughing competitions' in their smaller fields to get the job done so I can see them also going for the 'mowing competition' or even just somewhere to use their tractors and implements. A lot of the old Fergies and Fordsons etc are in folks garages in towns with no where to use them and I bet they'd jump at the chance. Couldnt guarantee what sort of job they'd do but I bet they'd get it done.

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