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Surely the best thing he did in the whole programme was to hold his hands over his head pretending to have a hood on, when talking about KKK, how to show just what an idiot you are!!!

Rosendula wrote:http://www.slapnickgriffin.co.uk/
courtesy of @alandavies1 on Twitter

There's nothing on that link except a list of categories in French which you click to go to more categories of things you can look up on the internet, like estate agents and finance.

Millymollymandy wrote:

Rosendula wrote:http://www.slapnickgriffin.co.uk/
courtesy of @alandavies1 on Twitter

There's nothing on that link except a list of categories in French which you click to go to more categories of things you can look up on the internet, like estate agents and finance.

How odd! I just tested it again to see if it's been moved but it's still there. I wonder if it's only available in the UK

The link worked for me. I gave him 7 slaps. I would have given him a lot more got bored.

I only saw the edited highlights and, quite frankly, that was enough to remind me what a pr8tt he is. If the Beeb had refused to have him on it would have helped his cause, as it was, he gained nothing from it whatsoever.

People like him and his party thrive on mystery. Expose them for what they are, a load of luke warm air.

Zoe

Thomzo wrote:helped his cause, as it was, he gained nothing from it whatsoever.

Zoe

Actually according to several straw polls held yesterday his popularity and party has gained 8% of the public vote

Unfortunately that show did him and his party more good than bad...

I don't care either way they're all a shower of excrement one way or another whatever party they're currently picking on.

The link worked this time so I gave him a slap or 30!

Satifying isn't it?

MW

Millymollymandy wrote:

Rosendula wrote:http://www.slapnickgriffin.co.uk/
courtesy of @alandavies1 on Twitter

There's nothing on that link except a list of categories in French which you click to go to more categories of things you can look up on the internet, like estate agents and finance.

It's just worked for me... it's probably that Jean Marie le penn blocking it in france

Well I watched the show after I recorded it and it was diabolical. I mean NG did himself or the BNP no favours at all if they wanted to look respectable that's for sure and I think you may see NG being replaced as leader before too long. He was ill prepaired and at a loss for sensible answers.

Now I've been called a racist on here and other forums ( I don't know if i am a racist by the way) because my sense of humour upsets the PC brigade ( my comment involved being welsh and ginger) But what gets the BNP votes is the lack of a disscusion of immigration by the political parties that form the mainstream.

Jack straw said words to the effect that they knew how/ what the british people were thinking but sadly they don't. Sadly the Mainstream political parties have lost the trust of the common man. Many of the general public see the government as being " out of touch" or "they just don't understand". THAT's why the BNP get votes.

Personally I feel that there is an awful lot of "mild" racists in this country because there is no debate allowed on the subject in fear of inciting racial discord etc. That's why the BNP get votes.

If the country could have a sensible debate of racism and immigration WITHOUT BEING LABELED A RACIST then the government would see exactly how divided the country was.

Now i'm ex forces, built like a brick shit house and in general I can handle myself ok but there are parts of my town that I don't go to, certainly after dark because there are gangs of asian youths hanging around on street corners causing trouble. Therowing ( white) flour boms at cars, shouting abuse at women etc and the police know about the areas concerned but don't go there in fear of causing racial tensions.

That's why the BNP get votes, not because of NG. and that's why there is a nasty taste building up in peoples mouths and not all of the bad taste is from NG.

Sorry, Big Al, but the BNP gets votes because there are people in this country with the IQ of a slug (and that's being unfair on slugs, really). How could any mainstream party have a discussion with people whose vocabulary doesn't exceed six words, two of them being sexual swear words?

Nick Griffin and his ilk are warts on the arse of humanity and should have been put down at birth.

When we finally get the education system right so that we no longer breed dorks who can't listen, won't reason, and lead with their boots, we'll have solved the problem. Failing that, we can send neo-Nazis to the moon, because I'd much rather live in a society of immigrants than one of thickos who, if they can manage to remember to breathe, spout pure and unadulterated sh*t.

There was, if you remember, a BNP supporter in the QT audience - the guy at the back in the bright yellow sweater. Surprisingly, he'd managed to put it on the right way round. But his sole response to any point was to shout "Rubbish" (which, at two syllables, must have taxed his poor brain). There you are - that's an example of the debating technique of the BNP. Failing that, it's straight denial and misdirection.

Interestingly, you could probably rewrite this little tirade, inserting words like "immigrant", "muslim", and "foreigner" and it would magically transform into Nick Griffin's next speech. Oh bugger - what have I done?

Mike

Big Al wrote: Personally I feel that there is an awful lot of "mild" racists in this country because there is no debate allowed on the subject in fear of inciting racial discord etc. That's why the BNP get votes.

If the country could have a sensible debate of racism and immigration WITHOUT BEING LABELED A RACIST then the government would see exactly how divided the country was.

Now i'm ex forces, built like a brick shit house and in general I can handle myself ok but there are parts of my town that I don't go to, certainly after dark because there are gangs of asian youths hanging around on street corners causing trouble. Therowing ( white) flour boms at cars, shouting abuse at women etc and the police know about the areas concerned but don't go there in fear of causing racial tensions.

MKG wrote:Sorry, Big Al, but the BNP gets votes because there are people in this country with the IQ of a slug (and that's being unfair on slugs, really). How could any mainstream party have a discussion with people whose vocabulary doesn't exceed six words, two of them being sexual swear words?

Nick Griffin and his ilk are warts on the arse of humanity and should have been put down at birth.

I do not, and have never supported the BNP, but I think the way you are trying to express yourself is not helpful, Mike.

I'm with Big Al on this one; it seems that no-one is allowed to have a serious, grown-up discussion about race without being labelled a racist. Personally I think the white do-gooders who ban certain nursery rhymes because they contain the word 'black' and insist that we use the term 'chalk board' instead of 'blackboard' are the idiots, because they are the ones preventing us getting to the bottom of the racial tensions (and they are too thick to consider even asking a black person for their opinion. The ones I have asked are not offended by the English term 'black' but are offended that some people are trying to ban it on their behalf). If we could all sit down and TALK to each other, we might find out WHY people vote BNP. What are they scared of? Do they have a valid point? In areas such as the one described by Big Al, above, something needs doing about the gangs. Or it might be that the BNP voter has no real reason to be scared and just needs educating. But to refuse to talk about it and start name calling and pointing fingers is not going to help anyone.

And I have to add that I was sickened by the behaviour of the campaigners outside the BBC studios. I have nothing against people demonstrating, but that wasn't demonstrating, that was rioting and I think it made them look stupid.

I think the BBC was right to have NG on, because this is meant to be a country of free speech (although the anti-facsist demonstrators obviously want to ban that). It was a chance to REDUCE BNP support, but because of the way the programme was run it had the opposite effect. The idiots outside injuring and spitting at police officers, and the audience and the panel turning it into a show ONLY about race and the BNP are the ones who are responsible for the BNP getting a rise in the polls. If they had run the programme as normal and talked about things OTHER than racism and the BNP - you know, things like the postal strike, education, health care, taxes and all the other things that politics is meant to deal with - then perhaps former BNP voters would have seen that the BNP have no policies in these other important areas and would refrain from voting for them again in the future. Unfortunately, following the show, it appears NG is now getting a sympathy vote.

Mea culpa - it was a failed attempt at ironic humour.

The point of my post was to use precisely the same kind of non-logic and inflammatory language as is the standard technique of neo-Nazis the world over (I thought my last line made that clear). And people think it's wrong to do so - so the point was made, even if a little bluntly.

And, make no mistake, it is the kind of rubbish you'd read every day if NG and his cronies ever held any kind of power. Remember his little slip - "Perhaps if we controlled the national press ...".

So, if anyone found my post offensive, I do apologise - it wasn't meant that way. However, I do feel that any rational discussion with the BNP is a waste of breath. The BNP is not, repeat NOT, an organisation giving a voice to those in the country who have genuine concerns over immigration. It is dictatorial in its constitution, extremist in its outlook, and band-wagon-jumping in its short-term policies - there is, in my opinion, little, if any, difference between its agenda and that of Adolf Hitler's National Socialists.

Will we never learn?

Mike

Sorry Mike. I obviously didn't see the angle from which you were coming. I have a lot on my mind at the moment, and when that happens my sense of humor gets wrapped in brown paper and stored in the cupboard under the stairs for a while.

I think that race and immigration has been a problem for many years and one of ingrained lack of understanding. At least since my children were born.

Some of it is plain jealousy (look they run the corner shop, must make lots of money as it is open all hours - well you could run a corner shop and make lots of money if you keep it open all hours but no we don't want to work that hard). Some of it is conviction that jobs are being stolen (well you can go and clean on the London underground, drive service buses, study to work as doctors and nurses but often the people who are willing to study and train are not the natural supporters of BNP/National Front).

A lot if problems come from the lower skilled people who find that it's hard to get a job anyway and from older people who remember a time when the majority of the population came from generations of people who had lived in the UK and looked white.

What a lot of people don't understand is that we invited people of all colours and none to come from Commonwealth countries in the early 1950w when there was lack of employment to fill up the spaces in our factories left by those men killed in WWII. We were short of man power to get the country back on its feet, build houses, roads, cars, work in the factories processing food and so on. And without those who came over to fill up the spaces this country would not have the standard of living that we do now. What Nick Griffin does not understand is that now some of the people of various colours who live here are third generation and as much natives as he is and I am (and ask not of my ancestry though I am white and born here).

Until we look at our history and how we started the problem, we will always have the extreme political views that are against all incomers no matter how long they have been here.

Mind you - move to a village, small town where everyone is inter-related and you will be an immigrant no matter that you were born in the big city 30 miles down the road and look just the same as the people who live in the village, small town. We're tribal you see.

I think the computer has a lot to do with the way we percieve things these days. When we write on these message boards there is no facial or tonal intonation so we can't gauge how to react or if a joke or rye sense of humour is intended. Where as in person we can gauge and react in a more subtle way. ( or use a jackboot if you support the BNP )

Also it seems that the BNP strongholds are like burnley and bury ( i think) so social class / age etc might have a part to play, again i don't know but what I do know and agree with is that we can't have a debate about it.

My wife works in a school and there was a group of mixed races, being white, black, asian etc and all friends going about the day as normal discussing the show and the tentertive question was raised to a negro coloured girl what she finds offensive. Her reply was "I'd rather be called a nigger than a paki....."

So the asian when asked said she would rather be called brown over black and the couple of white girls sat quiet. When prompted one said "oh miss I'd better keep quiet because if i say anything I'll get called a racist......"

Also way back in the 80's I did a pro photo journo course and on the course was a negro and i mean he was BLACK really, his skin shone with a purple tint. Anyway cutting a long story shorter we had to review a video of the love thy neighbourgh in context of how media has a powerful effect on the way people percive reallity and how they can change attitudes.

Joe as his name was and me took it one step or 3 further and we started acting the programmes out at break times, lunch times and eventually in class... we were just p**ing around really, well it was a boring course but as we went into the classroom on a morning I'd shout now then sambo got any bananas to which he would reply now then you white honkey got any sun cream..

I got suspended for a week, which would have been longer had Joe and even his dad not spoke for me. The point is we need to talk about these things openly and then the BNP will be shown to be the crass turds they are.

I'll probably get into trouble but this bit by flo amused me.

Flo wrote: Mind you - move to a village, small town where everyone is inter-related and you will be an immigrant no matter that you were born in the big city 30 miles down the road........

You know when I mentioned up top about a warped sense of humour? the reference to inter related by flo would have come out of my mouth as inbreds...

Hopefully my ramblings have not offended anyone but if they have just say that they have and I'll remove them and appologise.

Edited to add,
On the news there was a poll tonight saying 62% ( i think) of people questioned thought no mainstream party had a cohesive policy on immigration. This could be why the bnp get some bits in the media.