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Susie wrote:

MKG wrote:But surely this argument is not about farmers - nor do "real" farmers argue for huge schemes which they could not possibly afford. The issue here is nothing to do with your cheery neighbourhood beef or dairy producer - this whole plan is driven by the desires of wholesale buyers (if I was the tiniest bit sceptical, I might think that a supermarket chain may be behind the whole thing).

Yes, bang on.

Well, they need a supermarket chain behind them to sell that quantity of milk... They won't be wanting to deal with dozens of small retailers! Not enough profit in that.

Nope, I don't recognise this as farming, either. This is big business. (Which some, of course, think is a positive thing to say.)

When I was a teenager,just a few years ago,my neighbour was a dairyfarmer(he paid me well at haymaking).Now, he bottled his own milk,and delivered it himself,locally.After the new regs brought in by the health and safety morons 'green ' milk became completely uneconomic to produce.His son went to the bulk tank.Then the MMB was closed down for purely political reasons,and every shyster thought how great it would be to wholesale milk.Recently some of these have been going under,the dairy business is as uncertain as it's ever been and some T-----r wants to set up a battery cow unit. 'Milk' which I wouldn't touch with a bargepole,comes in cartons(almost impossible to recycle)and is sold in processed food warehouses............stop the world,I want to get off.

One of these days, I'll have my own cow!

(Dream on...)

oldjerry wrote:stop the world,I want to get off

ina wrote:One of these days, I'll have my own cow

I know exactly what you both mean! I've been trying to persuade OH we need a goat for years - one day...........

Oh I am so tempted to reply to that Maggie

"But he's already got one!"

Of course I mean his mother in law.

Her nickname's "The Trout" not goat

She's lucky, for years I was "You Old Trout"!! That one seems to have been superceded by worse these days.

[qu
ote="Green Aura"]Her nickname's "The Trout" not goat [/quote]





I like and respect all animals too think of anything any of them might have in common with Mrs OJ's mother , except of course in 10 days time when she takes off!

Big Al wrote:If people knew the truth about their food and where it comes from there would be anarchy but many are just not interested so long as they can gorge themselves stupid.

Very succinctly put Big Al, that is exactly the problem. Out of sight out of mind so long as our bellies are full.

Well I agree, but as a smart bloke from Jamaica once wrote 'A hungry man is an angry man'....and ,I would add, not in a position to always be that choosy.

Why is such rubbish that obviously has an agenda allowed on Channel 4? I've not seen it but read the comments. Unfortunately there are some really greedy people who don't really care what people put into their mouths,and really don't care about the animals they are rearing. These are not real farmers as far as I am concerned. I would rather have less milk, as suggested above than cheaper milk.

It's not rubbish it's a very interesting and informative programme, so if you haven't seen it you can't comment can you?

cocobelle wrote:Why is such rubbish that obviously has an agenda allowed on Channel 4?

They're a commercial TV station. What do you expect?

Green Aura wrote:
I know exactly what you both mean! I've been trying to persuade OH we need a goat for years - one day...........

Do what I did with the chickens and the rabbits....... get them in the garden before the other half comes home from work.....

What I need are stealth goats