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Posted: **Mon May 01, 2006 11:17 am**

http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/showth ... p?t=164068

Looking into further but just wondering your thoughts? Have you heard of this before? I am interested to know your perspectives on this.

Posted: **Mon May 01, 2006 12:13 pm**

I've no idea about the science but Tesla became regarded as a mad scientist in later life. He disputed the idea that space-time is curved, and claimed to have developed a Grand Unified Theory (nothing to back it up).
The nature of the work in which Tesla was (allegedly) engaged at the time of his death (1943) was considered by the FBI to be Top Secret and classed as such. His family struggled for many years to get his papers back; receiving only some personal effects.
Googling "Joe Cell" throws up plenty of sites. Some are barking mad (even I can tell) but most are just gobbledegook. Wonder what Muddypause will make of it?

Posted: **Mon May 01, 2006 1:40 pm**

Here's the Aussie stuff...Makes not a cracker of sense to me, but it has vidoes.

http://www.joecell.com.au/

Posted: **Mon May 01, 2006 2:15 pm**

Orgone . Yep, there's that word again. It's beyond atoms apparently ... leptons? photons? mesons? bosons? quarks? fermions? neutrinos? another new class of subatomic particle? ... all harking back to Tesla's variety of Grand Unified Theory methinks.

Posted: **Mon May 01, 2006 3:51 pm**

The Chili Monster wrote:Wonder what Muddypause will make of it?

I've given this a great deal of thought; formulated a long and detailed reply; considered it from every angle, from the implications of unlimited energy in relation to population growth, to the fundamental incentives of why people are so fugging desperate to believe this stuff. Here's a shortened version:

"Hmmm..."

(Actually, TBH, I haven't even bothered reading it - I stand guilty of any accusations of closed minded, science-believeing, co-onspiritorialism, propping up a system that depends upon a model of the universe that has been proved repeatedly to be wrong. The Earth is, of course flat, crop circles are made by elves that come from Jupiter - or is it Venus - and everything revolves around me me me me me.)

Posted: **Mon May 01, 2006 4:20 pm**

The Chili Monster wrote:Orgone . Yep, there's that word again.

Wilhelm Reich, wasn't it? Sexual energy, or summat. Sit in a box lined with tin foil - cures cancer, or summat.

Freud's favourite pupil, who became turncoat, and rebelled.

Kate Bush wrote the song Cloudbusting about the time he took his Orgone generator out into the desert and pointed it at the sky. Rumour has it that it proceeded to rain for the first time in 15 years, or summat.

I tried to read his biography once - it was hard going. Forced out of Germany by the Nazis anfter being denounced as a communist, and where is books were banned (he wrote anti-fascist literature as well as books about sexual repression), he eventually ended up in America. Ironically, having faced the tyranny of Nazism, he saw his books being burned in the Land Of The Free, and finally died in prison.

I can thoroughly recommend people read his essay Listen Little Man, which resonated greatly with me in my 20s.

Are people associating his (frankly bizarre) orgone theories with 'free energy', now? Why don't these people get a life? Why are they so desparate?

Posted: **Mon May 01, 2006 4:28 pm**

Editing Note: By the time I'd typed this out, Muddypause has more succintly put across some of these points.
Don't tell Michel, but this Orgone stuff's the way to go:

From the website

What is Orgone Energy It is a type of sexual life-force energy that can be gathered, beamed, absorbed, generated, or redirected by conscious beings or orgone-based devices. Ultimately, it is an archetypal creative energy, meaning that although it has many manifestations from the psychological to physical, the underlying essence of 'negentropy' remains the same between them.

So, step 1 Smoke one of those cigs that the authorities in Amsterdam "tolerate" or the indulge in those "sweets" you don't buy from shops.

Psychologically, free flowing orgone is said to be conducive to a free-spirited personality, healthy sexuality, vitality, creativity, and dynamism. Environmentally, ecosystems blessed with strong orgone energies are dense and lively. Physically, strong orgone is associated with negative ions, negentropic (self-organizing) systems, low pressure weather systems, water vapor concentrations, and a blue ionic glow.

Step 2 Set up a tepee, preferably near a river bank or a beach (access those ions).

Step 3Don't forget your flippers

An important property of orgone is its strong affinity for water; water can absorb or generate orgone. Another paramount characteristic is orgone's tendency to flow from low concentrations to high concentrations.

Motionless water acts as a sponge or capacitor for orgone energy. It absorbs all lower concentrations of orgone from objects or beings near it. Should water come close to an object with higher orgone concentrations, it will dump its energy into that object.

In homeopathy, water molecules "remember"; with orgone energy:

Motion or turbulence in water infuses it with orgone energy. This is probably due to turbulence creating nonlinear conditions in water; nonlinearity fertilizes a substance for the reception of consciousness-associated energies.

Step 4 Alternatively, just grab these items from your home:

Another method for generating orgone is through orgone accumulators. These are boxes, blankets, or pillows made with alternating layers of organic and inorganic substances, such as steel wool and cotton. Such a configuration strongly generates or absorbs orgone, but has a problem of easily depleting or saturating itself. When an orgone accumulator is saturated or depleted, it no longer functions as effectively until discharged or recharged, usually by placing it near water or placing it in fresh air and sunshine.
Orgone energy is not easily blocked by haphazard walls of metal, glass, or plastic. Only geometric configurations have the ability to channel or redirect orgone energy. Cones, pyramids, and cylinders are shapes that interact well with orgone. Cones, especially truncated cones made of sheet metal, tend to channel orgone from the base to the truncated apex. Cylinders, such as metal pipes, channel orgone in a linear direction, much like waveguides. Nevertheless, metal tends to reflect orgone, and non-metal tends to absorb it.

Step 5 Kate Bush would be useful:

Cloudbusters are devices that alter orgone concentrations in the atmosphere. Because strong orgone is associated with dense water vapor concentrations, altering orgone levels changes the distribution of condensed water vapor, i.e. clouds. Orgone is proto-meteorological, meaning it precedes (in the chain of cause and effect) visible weather

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Posted: **Mon May 01, 2006 4:31 pm**

I read the first few posts of this thread wondering if May 1st was now May Fool's day, it sounds so unlikely. If it was possible, surely reputable organisations like CAT would be looking into it. Now I have read Stew's response I will go for the large pinch of salt plan.

That essay does look interesting though. I didn't know that about Kate Bush! Lord this site is educational!

Posted: **Mon May 01, 2006 4:55 pm**

Surprise, surprise Herr Doktor Reich studied under Freud.

Wikepedia has this to say about Wilhelm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich

All jests aside, Reich comes across as an interesting bloke.

Many, many moons ago, the BBC ran a series of one-hour shows called Heretics, which highlighted unconventional views held by some emininent scientists including James Lovelock and Linus Pauling. They didn't mention this guy, though.

BTW, Reich was born in 1897. Tesla demonstrated this new energy in ca.1900. Reich did not arrive in the states unti 1939. Tesla died four years later. Are we to seriously believe that Joe's Cell is the same as both "inventions"?

Posted: **Mon May 01, 2006 5:28 pm**

The Chili Monster wrote:All jests aside, Reich comes across as an interesting bloke.

It's probably fair to say that the guy was a true original thinker. Some of his thoughts may have been a bit flakey (well, very flakey, really), but he wasn't blindly following anybody else.

Juxtapose that to most other people (including Reichians, orgone theorists, and perpetual motion advocates, too, it seems) and you find that all of their ideas are second hand. To be fair, that's probably simply the way it is with nearly all of us.

Posted: **Mon May 01, 2006 7:51 pm**

Stop fiddling arsing about in the 1800's you pair, and have a look at what is happening now...

The aussie has blueprints, photos and vids - exactly what you asked the other dude for.

Fair go mate. Gotta be worth a look.

Posted: **Mon May 01, 2006 7:55 pm**

"Ouch!"

(Feeling appropriately chastised).

I've had a look at the photos and one of them looks exactly as a pint of beer appears to me at pub closing time.

Posted: **Mon May 01, 2006 7:59 pm**

<--------Oooh Look! There's 4 of me now!

Posted: **Tue May 02, 2006 2:30 am**

Here's another link to a car made to run on everlasting free fuel that comes from nowhere. Impressive, isn't it.

Now read this.

D'ya reckon we're wasting our time here?

Posted: **Tue May 02, 2006 7:57 am**

mmmm.

What time is it?

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