Combined Heat and Power (CHP) - wood gassification??

[Jack]

Gidday

Well there is no real threat that the world will suddenly wake up one morning and find there is no energy. There are many ways other than oil to produce energy but anything that does get used has to be controled by the big multi-national companies or else it will be crushed.

There is such a thing as cold fusion which has been achieved by scientist and has produced up to 600 times more energy than was put in in the form of electricity. When this was reported in our newspapers in the early 1990's it was dubbed as fusion in a tea cup because it was done in such small vesels that the whole experiment was done on an ordinary work bench in a lab. Now 600 times more energy out than in and to be achieved on a benchtop ain't too bad for a start.

Now that fusion stuf aint any good to run your car on cos it's a bit hot and hard to control but other things have been invented and just not come to fruition.

There was a young joker called Pacheco from Bolivia who in 1943 made a hydrogen generator. It was small enough to go under the bonnet of a car but he was prevented from developing it because it was said there was enough oil and it was cheap enough to make his invention not worth while.

Then there was another joker called Sam Leach of Los Angeles who in the 1970's made a hydrogen geneator small enough to go under the bonnet of a car and the rights to that were bought by M.J.
Mirkin. But that one was never developed any further either.

Then in 1994 a young joker called Dylan Whitford had the shit beaten out of him in Wanganui and never said another word about the water fueled engine he had something to do with.

And again, a 30 year old New Zealand mechanic M. Malcolm Vincent of Nelson sold the rights to a water powered engine for $25,600,000. He was lucky because he took the money and ran.

And I remember reading in the news paper of a bloke from Taranaki who converted an old car to run on water. He was reported to drive from New Plymouth to Auckland and back with nothing but tank water being put into the car. A few weeks later he was killed in a car accident that looked suspicious. His son got the car and was still driving around in it for a while and then he had a bloody big truck run into him and nearly killed him. The car dissapeared and he was smart enough never to talk about it again.

So why, if I could make a car run on water, would I tell the bloody government?

So you see, if you do enough digging you can find that many things are possible with alternative energy, but it just won't be safe to make too much of them untill all that bloody oil does run out.

[paddy]

I think alcohol jack may be the best as regards a renewable.

[JayBee]

A whole load of stuff.

I guess when you read what I typed in a certain way and you have your own agenda then you can believe and write whatever you want.

All of what you wrote is valid but it has nothing to do with this thread.

This thread is about gasification of wood for emergency use in internal combustion engines not about kebab burners or anything else you want to bring to the party.

[JayBee]

Oh dear, Jack...

Well there is no real threat that the world will suddenly wake up one morning and find there is no energy.

There will always be energy. Did you know that there is much energy in the universe now as there was when the Big Bang first created the universe? And that when the universe dies there will still be the same amount of energy?

Energy is never created or destroyed. It is just taken from one level of entropy to another. The energy in petrol burnt in a car engine is never destroyed. It is just dissipated in the form of heat. The energy is still there, it just spreads out into the universe into an unusable form.

There is such a thing as cold fusion which has been achieved by scientist and has produced up to 600 times more energy than was put in in the form of electricity.

No there isn't. It was debunked long ago. You should read all news articles. Including the ones that go against your views.

Now that fusion stuf aint any good to run your car on cos it's a bit hot and hard to control but other things have been invented and just not come to fruition.

I thought it was meant to be cold?

There was a young joker called Pacheco from Bolivia who in 1943 made a hydrogen generator. It was small enough to go under the bonnet of a car but he was prevented from developing it because it was said there was enough oil and it was cheap enough to make his invention not worth while.

Then there was another joker called Sam Leach of Los Angeles who in the 1970's made a hydrogen geneator small enough to go under the bonnet of a car and the rights to that were bought by M.J.
Mirkin. But that one was never developed any further either.

Then in 1994 a young joker called Dylan Whitford had the shit beaten out of him in Wanganui and never said another word about the water fueled engine he had something to do with.

And again, a 30 year old New Zealand mechanic M. Malcolm Vincent of Nelson sold the rights to a water powered engine for $25,600,000. He was lucky because he took the money and ran.

I have made hydrogen myself. It's very easy. Water, aluminium foil and caustic soda drain cleaner. Lots of hydrogen gas given off. Burns beautifully. Hard to compress to carry in a car. Hydrogen molecules are small enough to exit through the metal of a storage cylinder. It makes a mess of your engine through embrittlement so it will fall apart after a while.

So you see, if you do enough digging you can find that many things are possible with alternative energy, but it just won't be safe to make too much of them untill all that bloody oil does run out.

Yes, digging on the net is fun but you should read other websites that are not written by cranks.

Oh and by the way, its Carbon MON-oxide in wood gas not Carbon DI-oxide. Carbon dioxide is not flammable that is why they put it in fire extinguishers.

This'll teach me not to look at referral pages to my website. OK, enough of this thread. I've lost interest.

[Muddypause]

Jack, maaaate... There is no law preventing you believing whatever you want to believe, but I would suggest that you do even more digging before you just accept that all that stuff is actually true.

Y'see, there's another aspect to this - research grants, venture capital, gullible people with too much cash looking for an investment... Do you think those cold fusion bods set out just to look stupid when it was discovered that no one else could reproduce their results, or do you think they possibly had another motive? Like maybe the hope that they could con their way into some easy money?

Here's another one to add in to your list of alternatives (this is an archive of the site, because, for some reason the original site no longer exists). But please, also read stuff like this and this before getting too excited. Finally, here's another one - but do note that name of the comapny involved.

Now, maybe we should get back to wood gasification, because that sounds like something which may actually work, and is interesting to boot.

[Jack]

Gidday

O.K. O.K. you jokers don't believe me, that's alright.

But most of what I wrote there is what I read in newspapers long before I had access to the internet. Three of them were in this country, so that is why I too note of them at the time.

And as for hydrogen being bad for the motor and stuffing it up in no time well do you really believe that there is no aloy that can be used. They said that about the steam engine too and the old Stanley steam car held the world speed record for decades after the petrol engine came on the scene.

My point is that hydrogen that is taken from water under the bonnet of a car has the greatest potential of any fuel. In fact I just cannot even think of a fuel that does not actually rely on the energy that is in hydrogen. That's why petrol relies on the hydro/carbons for it's energy.

Water is only hydrogen and oxygen and if they are split there is more energy available in an hydrogen burning oxygen mix than any other fuel in the universe.

Now back to the beginning, the gass producer, there is only one problem with them and that is they can't fit under the bonnet and from time to time you have to feed em more fuel, even though the fuel may only be sheep sh!t.

[Muddypause]

Water is only hydrogen and oxygen

Aye...

and if they are split...

...but there's the rub.

Combining hydrogen with oxygen will release a substantial amount of energy - under the right conditions, explosively so. The result is water. But if you start with water, it takes more energy to split the oxygen and hydrogen apart than you get back by recombining them. According to the Newtonian view of the universe, there is no way around this problem. If it were otherwise, you would have a perpetual motion machine, an increasing amount of energy in the universe, and problems that make the current global warming alert look trivial.