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I've been trying to find a clinic that will do Saffie's mmr in single injections in Liverpool as we are on the Isle of Man and apparently they don't do it here. So not only will I have to pay for the jabs I will also have to pay at least £60 for travel each time HOWEVER I have found a clinic that will be HERE on the Island on the 1st of AUGUST!!!! Wooohoooo. Gonna book her in as soon as I get the info!!!

Out of interest.....are you going to have them all done, but just separately? Or just one or two of them? My understanding was that the single rubella vaccine wasn´t licenced for under 10s (and my opinion is that there is no need for anyone but adult women to be vaxxed against it anyhow, but I digress...) And what timing are you planning between jabs?

Not sure those are things I am still to investigate so gimme all the info you have so I can make my mind up. Initially I am for having the 3 done in single jabs but need to know more, time between......what would you suggest??

Well I´m not the expert, but I shall share where I stand on it (this usually causes a ruckus )

My DD has had all of her jabs up til but not including the MMR (OH is very pro-vax, so this is our compromise). I am not actually sure whether we will vax even singly for these things (it isn´t on offer, we´d have to have it done in the UK).

Rubella - I have a feeling that DD has already had the disease, I say a "feeling" because the rash was rubella-like, but there were no other symptoms (which is common for rubella). The only person that rubella stands to cause any damage to is an unborn child, therefore the only people who ought to be vaxxed against it are women of childbearing age, chances are that like me you were given the jab just before you hit puberty. I will have my DDs blood tested for antibodies before she hits that age to see whether she has had the disease, and if not I will get her jabbed when she is 11 or 12.

Mumps - I don´t really know too much about this, but I know that the main reasons to worry about getting the disease are deafness and infertility (in adult men). I also understand that anyone who happens to unfortunately (and improbably) contract mumps and measles in the same year stands a far higher chance of long term problems. For this reason I would not give live vaccines of both to a child at the same time, and due to my child being female, I shall not be giving it at all, as one of the greatest dangers of the disease is only suffered by men.

Measles - this is always the contentious one. I can´t say that my mind is entirely made up to argue my position, but fact is that your daughter is already out of the woods agewise for now. Measles deaths and complications most commonly occur below 1 and over 9 years, but in first world countries measles is a disease that one can expect full recovery from (of course there are no guarantees).

I read this book...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASI ... ksprice-21

when I was informing myself. It deals as balanced view as is possible, all the facts and figures and prevailing opinions.

The one crucial fact from this book that deserves to be always at the forefront of the minds of parents debating this dilemma (and for anyone about to get all defensive and offensive here).....

what ever your decisions regarding vaccination your child is very very VERY unlikely to suffer any serious illness or death either from the disease or the vaccine

HTH Clara x

myy oldest had the sningle vaccines hun...mainly due to mil pressure and tbh it was a farce...she never got the rubella one as they ran out..we got the appointment for it three years later

my other three had the mmr and they are all fine

btw did the rucksack arrive

Cheers Clara. Thing is I am very PRO opinions. We don't all have to agree but if we all tell each other our opinions then we can make informed choices, you don't get the full picture without opinions!! So THANK YOU,

Reading what you wrote about Rubella make sense to me. Now the thing I don't get is this. A friend of mine has a little girls who has just had German measles ie Rubella Saffie didn't get it as we don't see them much and they were away when she got it. She HAS however HAD the mmr at the age of 1 as per the "usual" route. Now while they were away another kiddo had just had the mmr and my friends Dr said that this is how she caught it (her vaccine didn't work - the daughter of my friend). Can you understand that ....not sure I can reading it back lol There was a pregnant woman on the trip too not sure what the outcome was there. The worry I would have would be if I caught it off Saffie as we have been trying for a baby since she was 6 months I have had the Rubella vaccine but what if mine didn't work??

Is the Dr saying that the girl caught rubella from a vaccinated child? I´ve not heard that as a possibility before, though as MMR contains live strains of all three diseases (as opposed to dead or inactivate material found in all other scheduled vaxes - the reason I compromised on the others but not MMR), I guess it is possible because it is a mini-dose of all three diseases (hence why some of the side effects of the vax look like mild forms of the disease itself). No vaccine is 100% effective, a new more dangerous strain of measles (atypical measles) is now being reported amongst ineefectively vaxxed kids (unvaxxed kids just regular measles).

A few people have contracted Polio in the UK through handling the poo of a recently vaxxed baby (though this is no longer a risk as the vax currently used is a "dead" strain).

When I was pregnant one of the blood tests they ran was to find out whether i had rubella immunity or not, this was in Spain, though I guess it is probably standard across western europe. So you could even ask your Dr for a test beforehand (bet they just offer you the MMR instead ).


Clara x

Yes Clara, you are checked for Rubella immunity when pregnant here as well. Only trouble is, they only check for it at around the 12 week mark (well they do in our hospital, anyway) so if you don't have the immunity you could still catch Rubella in the early stages of pregnancy - and it's at its most dangerous to an unborn baby if contracted before 11 weeks.

From what I understand, they moved away from vaccinating girls at 11 or 12 to rolling out the vaccine included in the MMR so they could also vaccinate boys, as boys are of course able to spread Rubella to pregnant women.

i caught german measles when i was a child in the 60s. i had been vaccinated but the vaccine was only just introduced and maybe not as effective as it is now. unfortunately our neighbour was pregnant and the baby was aborted because the mum-to-be caught german measles from me. (i didn't know about this until i was in my 20s.... my parents remain friends with them, even though they have all moved away from the area.)

my parents had some other friends with a severely handicapped child as a result of his mother contracting german measles - he was blind, partly deaf, unable to walk, very limited ability to communicate, doubly incontinent, epileptic etc etc; he died in his late teens as the result of his epilepsy. it was not a very happy life and the family split up with the pressure of caring for him.

no particular point to my post really, just that it's devastating for the unborn...

jane

citizentwiglet wrote:From what I understand, they moved away from vaccinating girls at 11 or 12 to rolling out the vaccine included in the MMR so they could also vaccinate boys, as boys are of course able to spread Rubella to pregnant women.

But they can´t pass it to women who have been successfully vaxxed KWIM? I guess I´m just opposed to giving what I see as an unnecessary vax, another toxin to add to the cocktail! And particularly so early in a childs life, when the actual disease the vaccine is preventing is so harmless to them.

See what you mean Clara...I wonder whether with the old system a lot of the girls due the vacc were slipping through the net or something.

To be honest, we all got rubella long before we were offered the jab for it anyway (I'm sure it spread like wildfire when we were about 9 or 10) so maybe that's why they moved it to a younger age. My mum's friend also had a baby that was affected (by baby's elder sister who got it when she was 5), baby only lived a matter of hours. Very sad.

My nephew has just had it - he's in childcare during the day, and caught it from another child - they are both too young for the MMR; so the whole system ain't infallible. Both kids are absolutely fine, incidentally.

Is the Dr saying that the girl caught rubella from a vaccinated child?

Yep that's what he said mind you I don't believe half the things the Drs tell me.

tea 690 nope it hasn't arrived yet mind you the TT is on (bike racing) so any spare room on the boat goes to the bikes rather than the post

Clara wrote:
Rubella - I have a feeling that DD has already had the disease, I say a "feeling" because the rash was rubella-like, but there were no other symptoms (which is common for rubella).

Could have been roseola - that presents no other symptoms at the point when the rash appears but is preceeded by a few days by a moderate fever. Rubella is normally accompanied by moderate fever and joint pains, but a child with roseola rash will usually play, eat and behave normally. I most often effects children under two years: all three of mine have had it.

KellyB wrote:tea 690 nope it hasn't arrived yet mind you the TT is on (bike racing) so any spare room on the boat goes to the bikes rather than the post

okay hun it was posted on saturaday so just let us know it arrived safe