New look what do you think

Thought it would be nice to let you lot know what is going on and any future plans etc.
User avatar
Andy Hamilton
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 6631
Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:06 pm
Location: Bristol
Contact:

New look what do you think

Post: # 13808Post Andy Hamilton »

I have been pretty quiet on here of late as most of my computer time has been taken up in comming up with a new look site. We have not changed that much since we started almost 2 years ago :shock:

Any way this is as they say in computer land a beta version of one of the submenus on the main site. It is no way finished, the links don't match up yet but you will get the idea.

http://www.selfsufficientish.com/andreas09/herbs.html

It will be a long job to get the whole site looking the same so I thought it would be good to get some feedback now rather than have to change stuff further down the line.

I guess I am asking is this better than what we have now?
First we sow the seeds, nature grows the seeds then we eat the seeds. Neil Pye
My best selling Homebrew book Booze for Free
and...... Twitter
The Other Andy Hamilton - Drinks & Foraging

Shirley
A selfsufficientish Regular
A selfsufficientish Regular
Posts: 7025
Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:05 am
Location: Manchester
Contact:

Post: # 13813Post Shirley »

A big YES - much less cluttered and more professional looking.

Well done you.
Shirley
NEEPS! North East Eco People's Site

My photos on Flickr

Don't forget to check out the Ish gallery on Flickr - and add your own photos there too. http://www.flickr.com/groups/selfsufficientish/

digger
margo - newbie
margo - newbie
Posts: 21
Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:46 am
Location: Sweden

Post: # 13814Post digger »

Looks good to me too.

User avatar
wulf
A selfsufficientish Regular
A selfsufficientish Regular
Posts: 1184
Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:41 am
Location: Oxford, UK
Contact:

Post: # 13841Post wulf »

It's definitely an improvement (although it still definitely needs more work *cracks whip*). I've put three screenshots of what it looks like on my machine onto my flickr account, tagged selfsufficientish.

I notice that if you look at the bottom of the design, the "daisy" background runs out - is this intentional?

Wulf

ina
A selfsufficientish Regular
A selfsufficientish Regular
Posts: 8241
Joined: Sun May 22, 2005 9:16 pm
Location: Kincardineshire, Scotland

Post: # 13857Post ina »

Stupid me read "To the left you will see links to all of our aticles about herbs." about 10 times before I realised what was up...

Yes, it does look a lot better. Although I quite liked the "home-grown" look, too - so don't get too perfect!
Ina
I'm a size 10, really; I wear a 20 for comfort. (Gina Yashere)

Libby
Living the good life
Living the good life
Posts: 244
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:50 pm
Location: Wales

Post: # 13884Post Libby »

It looks great.
I want to wake up in the morning and see green!

User avatar
Muddypause
A selfsufficientish Regular
A selfsufficientish Regular
Posts: 1905
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:45 pm
Location: Urban Berkshire, UK (one day I'll find the escape route)

Post: # 13894Post Muddypause »

It's much better for having a bit of white space around the words and pictures - no words crashing into the images.
Stew

Ignorance is essential

User avatar
Andy Hamilton
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 6631
Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:06 pm
Location: Bristol
Contact:

Post: # 13897Post Andy Hamilton »

firstly I will apologise for only answering to this bit of forum.

but big job that I am undertaking. took me 5 hours just to get the background right on that page.

the worry is that the charm of the site will be lost by the changes, most of the people I talk to like the old look. our stats talk about 900 people a day looking at the front page and going. maybe the change will keep them?

I am aware of the slight changes from increasing the .jpgs into the title part, and how it skifs the whole site. BUT! shall I make it into a site that is less home grown? Is the heath robinson approach the secret of our sucsess?
First we sow the seeds, nature grows the seeds then we eat the seeds. Neil Pye
My best selling Homebrew book Booze for Free
and...... Twitter
The Other Andy Hamilton - Drinks & Foraging

User avatar
wulf
A selfsufficientish Regular
A selfsufficientish Regular
Posts: 1184
Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:41 am
Location: Oxford, UK
Contact:

Post: # 13922Post wulf »

I know all about what a slow process it can be getting things the way you want them - even more so when you start considering questions like "what will this look like on other people's machines?" or "is my design accessible enough?". Keep bouncing your developing ideas round here as I or others may be able to help, both with sorting out individual problems and also getting perspective on things.

Since you're running phpBB for this forum on the same server (as far as I can tell) one tip is to use PHP on all your pages. You'll find that the start and end of every page is generally the same with just a bit of unique content in the middle. Using PHP you can write some simple functions to provide all that consistent layout information and then, when you make a change, it just has to go in one central place - you can read a short article I wrote about the concept which is published on a friend's site.

You've obviously got to get the design sorted out first but it means you can start making the changes earlier knowing that later updates don't mean rewriting every single HTML file on your site!

Wulf

User avatar
Millymollymandy
A selfsufficientish Regular
A selfsufficientish Regular
Posts: 17637
Joined: Tue May 10, 2005 6:09 am
Location: Brittany, France

Post: # 13925Post Millymollymandy »

ina wrote:Stupid me read "To the left you will see links to all of our aticles about herbs." about 10 times before I realised what was up...
So did I!!

Actually, I don't like it! Much prefer the look now, even the spelling mistakes!

User avatar
Andy Hamilton
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 6631
Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:06 pm
Location: Bristol
Contact:

Post: # 14104Post Andy Hamilton »

wulf wrote:I know all about what a slow process it can be getting things the way you want them - even more so when you start considering questions like "what will this look like on other people's machines?" or "is my design accessible enough?". Keep bouncing your developing ideas round here as I or others may be able to help, both with sorting out individual problems and also getting perspective on things.

Since you're running phpBB for this forum on the same server (as far as I can tell) one tip is to use PHP on all your pages. You'll find that the start and end of every page is generally the same with just a bit of unique content in the middle. Using PHP you can write some simple functions to provide all that consistent layout information and then, when you make a change, it just has to go in one central place - you can read a short article I wrote about the concept which is published on a friend's site.

You've obviously got to get the design sorted out first but it means you can start making the changes earlier knowing that later updates don't mean rewriting every single HTML file on your site!

Wulf
some good points, I am reluctant to use php for the rest of the site as I have heard that it is not as secure and the main reason - whenever I start to mess around using php things go wrong. (as you all are aware :oops: ) Not to say that it is not a consideration. I think for now CSS is the way forward as I can use a seperate style sheet for most of the pages and like you say it won't mean rewriting all of the same coding again.

I will keep adding whatever points I am upto on here to get feedback. It is very helpful to have almost instant feedback.

So should I also keep in the spelling mistakes :wink:
First we sow the seeds, nature grows the seeds then we eat the seeds. Neil Pye
My best selling Homebrew book Booze for Free
and...... Twitter
The Other Andy Hamilton - Drinks & Foraging

Wormella
Barbara Good
Barbara Good
Posts: 165
Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:05 pm
latitude: 52.8045
longitude: -2.1154
Location: Stafford
Contact:

Post: # 14109Post Wormella »

It looks really good (I teach web design - I should know about these things!! ) :hiding:

I'd keep at it, but it definatly an improvment

User avatar
wulf
A selfsufficientish Regular
A selfsufficientish Regular
Posts: 1184
Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:41 am
Location: Oxford, UK
Contact:

Post: # 14118Post wulf »

Andy Hamilton wrote:some good points, I am reluctant to use php for the rest of the site as I have heard that it is not as secure and the main reason - whenever I start to mess around using php things go wrong. (as you all are aware :oops: ) Not to say that it is not a consideration. I think for now CSS is the way forward as I can use a seperate style sheet for most of the pages and like you say it won't mean rewriting all of the same coding again.
Security really only becomes an issue if you're interacting with things in a way that someone can get in on - for example, if you allow someone to submit a form and then blindly feed that input into a database without checking for naughty attempts to break open your database. If you're just using it for some page layout with no user interaction (other than choosing what page to look at by clicking on links) then there are no problems.

The reason I'd advocate using a bit more scripting behind the scenes is that it allows you to do a little bit more than is possible with plain CSS. For example, your new design has a menu bar at the top of every page. I'm not sure how many pages are on the site but I suspect that a couple of hours in writing some simple functions to top and tail the page and drop in fixed blocks of HTML (like the menus) would easily be covered next time you need to adjust a menu item.

In fact, once you get your design a bit more established, you could send me the HTML (or just point me at the page) and I'll spin some simple code blocks for you.
So should I also keep in the spelling mistakes :wink:
Nope! Spulling thengs pruperlee is important for two reasons. First of all, you're unlikely to put people off by spelling everything correctly but you may well lose potential contributers if there are lots of easily corrected errors. It looks like not enough care is taken and casts a poor light on what might otherwise be excellent advice. I recognise that some people find spelling much easier than others but, while there is certainly no call for jumping down people's throats about mistakes, it is good to get things right.

Secondly, if key words are misspelt, we're likely to miss visitors who searched using the correct spelling. It's amazing how many hits you get when you misspell a search term but you tend to get a lot more, higher quality sites when you spell things out more carefully.

You could always include some PHP to mangle spellings at the press of a button for those who like it that way :wink:

Wulf

User avatar
Andy Hamilton
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 6631
Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:06 pm
Location: Bristol
Contact:

Post: # 14174Post Andy Hamilton »

cheers wulf. What I am wondering also is if you have to have an extra sql database set up if you have a php site. I am really not entirely sure how it works.
First we sow the seeds, nature grows the seeds then we eat the seeds. Neil Pye
My best selling Homebrew book Booze for Free
and...... Twitter
The Other Andy Hamilton - Drinks & Foraging

User avatar
wulf
A selfsufficientish Regular
A selfsufficientish Regular
Posts: 1184
Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:41 am
Location: Oxford, UK
Contact:

Post: # 14175Post wulf »

No - you only need the database if you're going to store and retrieve information there (as is done for the forum). As a way of providing some simple templating you don't need that at all.

Wulf

Post Reply