Building with Mud

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Post: # 17756Post Batfink »

That's a very, very bad joke - yet a can't help myself and feel the need to laugh! :lol:

Meanwhilst, Boots, you are a legend! Building with mud is one of the best things you can do - I thoroughly enjoyed it - although we didn't take the mud block route.

Instead we used Cob, a traditional mixture of earth, sand, straw and water. Ours was mixed by tractor tyre. I'd love to say we took the holisitic, sustainable nonpolluting "mixed by hand/foot" route - but we simply didn't have either the time or inclination to do so!!!

The cob mixture was mixed on a large flat concrete base, then moved into place and trampled onto the foundations to start building the walls up - in essence a giant house shaped clay pot.

Here's a close up of one of the walls:
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And here's the nearly finished product (we've still got some work to do internally - plus finish the exterior in a render of some description).
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(I love the colour you get on the walls at certain times of the day!)

All in all it was several years in the making - but well worth the wait!
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Post: # 17759Post Kitchenwitch »

How fascinating! As someone who lives in a largely mud house, it's very interesting to hear about your building. Our house is made of cob - a combination of mud, straw, dung, and hair - and we've started doing some research on its use as a building material, largely because it's such a good idea! Oh, and the eco-friendly aspect of earth buildings appeals to me greatly.

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Post: # 17767Post Boots »

WOW Bats, That is just what I needed! Excellent motivation and am so impressed.

Can't wait to for my mate to wake up so I can show him your pics. He was calling me a lunatic this arvo, because I suggested putting up mudbrick pens for the goats instead of spending a near fortune on ruddy wire I have to restrain every few months. He has decided I have mud for brains, but that's ok... let em jest. :mrgreen:

He said I spose you'll want to build a moat next? And I just laughed because I had already figured I'd be left with a pretty big ditch if I just follow the main fenceline, and well, heck, why not? I can bung some yabbies in there or something...

I love your walls. Did you go round embedding those bits, or is that the result of your mix? They look great, and the A frame addittion is soooo funky! The corner looks bricked... I haven't looked into cob much... that's the same as rammed earth, is it? Where you fill huge wall moulds and pack it down hard, is that it? Looks very good, whatever it is.

Berkshire... that is on some misty moors, yes?... (Gran told me tales when I was young about the escapees) Are you having any probs with moisture, and did you seal yours? If so, can you throw in any suggestions?

Thanks heaps for sharing your pics. I am going to go wake my mate up and watch him roll his eyes at me again... :wink:

Kitchenwitch, do you have some pics to share too? I would love to see different ideas.

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Boots wrote:WOW Bats, That is just what I needed! Excellent motivation and am so impressed.
No problems!
Boots wrote:I love your walls. Did you go round embedding those bits, or is that the result of your mix? They look great, and the A frame addittion is soooo funky! The corner looks bricked.

That's just a result of the mix. You can find all sorts of bits and bobs as you walk around the house. Because we had cattle on the farm during the mixing phases, you can occasionally see darker patches of cob - cow dung! There's a couple of strands of bailing twine in their too - all for good measure!

The only bricks were for the foundations. The corner looks a little strange as it unfortunately suffered from a collapse over a winter. We think it was the result of a wet mix which got a bit wetter, and so didn't bind too well with the lower levels - hence causing a slippage plain - which then slipped! :roll: 3 tonnes of earth fell off the house - so, with a bit of reinforcement, 3 tonnes needed to be restacked!
Boots wrote:I haven't looked into cob much... that's the same as rammed earth, is it? Where you fill huge wall moulds and pack it down hard, is that it? Looks very good, whatever it is.
Rammed earth relies more on shuttering, very much like wall moulds as you described.

Tradional cob is more self standing - we literally put it on the ground walked on it to squeeze the air bubbles out (stopping expansion and contraction, but also stopping any gaps which could fill with water), then moved on to the next meter. Eventually you do a lap of the house, and start all over, building up in layers. All in all it took us two summers worth of work to build up the cob framework of the house.

Lots of blood, sweat and tears (take all three very literally - pitch fork through toes, working in 30 degree heat with no shade, and a couple of painful falls from height!).
Boots wrote:Berkshire... that is on some misty moors, yes?... (Gran told me tales when I was young about the escapees)
I'd love to say it's an idylic moorland picturesque scenario - unfortunately we're just on the edge of suburbia in Southern England. We border an ex-RAF/USAF airbase (which severly delayed our planning permissions!), and a main road. We have a T***o's superstore 500m away as the crow flies (and from where the liter blows), and a McDonald's a bit further away from that! But, to be honest, they don't bother us much, and I wouldn't swap it for the world!
Boots wrote:Are you having any probs with moisture, and did you seal yours? If so, can you throw in any suggestions?
Moisture issues aren't too bad. We have eves which stretch out by a metre to reduce the amount of rain running onto the walls. As such the only water that gets on to them is rain water rather than run off. We've noticed a little bit of erosion in some places - and a little bit of fracturing where rainwater has got in and then frozen - but this is very limited.

To be honest the biggest thing we're having issues with at the moment is insects and birds. The insects find the insultating properties of the earth particularly good at night - the birds have realised this and will happily chip away at the walls in search of bugs, grubs and other insects!!!

Eventually we wanted to put a lime render on the outside - but that's another summers work - and none of us are keen on working with lime after using it to plaster the internal walls - and all the associated "ARGH! it's in my eyes" and burns on the hands where the gloves have split!

I believe lime might still be on the cards - but cut with something else so we can retain the amazing colours of the walls - something we'd loose if we went with a straight lime render.
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Post: # 17778Post Kitchenwitch »

I will certainly post some cob photos as soon as time permits; we've got one bit where we had to take out an old cooker socket which gives a good view of what the cob's like underneath the unholy cement-based render (which has given the house damp problems which are completely unnecessary; such a shame, but at least they should improve when we re-render in summer!).

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Post: # 18567Post Boots »

4 courses of first wall now up, and have spent at least that many hours just looking at it! Feeling very chuffed! I have a lounge chair out there and just sit looking at it and grinning. Kids say "Whatch doin'" and I just grin..."Looking at my wall!"

All of a sudden everyone is very interested again. Daughter number one said "Wow, it looks just like a real wall!!!"

Well, that's what it is... no idea what else they were expecting!

Am preparing to add the first window, so will buzz off and find the right place to ask Muddy and anyone else to brief me on things I am bound to have not thought of.

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Post: # 18816Post Chickenlady »

What a fascinating thread this is! Boots you are heroic to even contemplate this - I wouldn't have the time or patience to make my own mud bricks.

I do have a little fantasy of a strawbale house, though. One day...
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Post: # 18952Post Boots »

Making the mud bricks is possibly the best part. I find a rare peace when sitting at the edge of the slowly increasing pit and just puddling and moulding the mud.

It is probably the simplest thing that exists in my life, and while there is still a tendency to complicate it, with analysis of clay quantitities etc :mrgreen: I really do find the moulding relaxing. There isn't much else in my life that permits me to just sit and create simply like that, I guess. Everything else seems very busy or demanding, and there isn't much room for error. I like the way even 'mistakes' look good and just add character.

The odd paw print still has me growling at the dog, mind you! :mrgreen:

The digging is hard yakka, but I'm feeling better for it. Sometimes I just need to get out there and swing a mattock :wink: and other times it's just digging and I spur myself on by reminding myself I live quite near to several original gold fields, and you never know what might turn up!

It's all kind of like an interesting journey, I guess. I remember building things in sandpits as a kid, and believing (cross my heart and hope to die) that one day I would build a town. You know, with everything like roads and servos and a house for grandma and everything you need in a barren sandpit.
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It makes me look at the farm differently too, I guess. Things are very dry here, so much of what was once a lush landscape has turned to dust. It is difficult to not let it get to you, when everyone and everything is really beginning to show the strain. To have something functional still coming out of the farm, is kind of important too, I guess. It keeps my spirits up.

I desperately need some new goat pens, and am considering mudbricking a small weaning pen, and possibly a new buck enclosure, simply because it is a way of transforming what we have without any further major spending.

Anyway, I have just been raving on while photobucket does its thing...

This was the first course...
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And this shot shows 4 courses, with my boo boo in the second, that looks like taking me about 4 courses to correct. The far left corner will now have to be moulded to a curve, but that's ok... it has a life of its own!
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Post: # 18953Post The Chili Monster »

Well, I for one, am in awe.

It's looking great. (I'd struggle to get the mud together). Bet you're chuffed.
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Post: # 18954Post Boots »

Thanks Chilli. It is kinda encouraging sharing it with my pommie mates and the zany scots online here. I wander about feeling like I'm not really doing it on my own.

Sometimes it is just good to get others opinions or just share the little chuffs along the way.

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Boots wrote:The digging is hard yakka, but I'm feeling better for it. Sometimes I just need to get out there and swing a mattock :wink: and other times it's just digging and I spur myself on by reminding myself I live quite near to several original gold fields, and you never know what might turn up!

It makes me look at the farm differently too, I guess. Things are very dry here, so much of what was once a lush landscape has turned to dust. It is difficult to not let it get to you, when everyone and everything is really beginning to show the strain. To have something functional still coming out of the farm, is kind of important too, I guess. It keeps my spirits up.
I know exactly what you're talking about, despite living on the opposite site of the world.

The actuality of getting outside and doing something real and tangible makes a big difference when you're really up against it. There's also a zen-like quality to repetitively creating something from nothing, with no rush, no deadline, just the gentle passing of time marked by an increasing number of bricks or dug patches in your case.

In our case, it's marked by the progress of digging or the ever increasing size of our stone pile, all grubbed out and carried/rolled by hand. I'm also slowly squaring some up by hand, with various stone chisels and a lump hammer.

Eventually, this pile will become walls...

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So keep up the good work, continue to enjoy it and remember, you're not alone in your madness! :mrgreen:

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Post: # 18987Post Muddypause »

Way to go, Boots - that's looking like a proper wall. It is a proper wall.
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Post: # 19094Post Boots »

Hi All,
Feeling a bit hesitant about starting the window. Have boxed it up and am thinking I might just brick round the corner first, while I move into a bit more of a 'Can Do' attitude with the window. I keep worrying about how I support it when I start bricking, and that I will break the ruddy thing...

I was thinking I would just prop it with angled wood on either side while I bricked it in... Either that or I just get my kids to hold it as I brick around it. *visions of chaos whiz through my mind* Does anyone know how this is usually done?

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Post: # 19149Post Muddypause »

Your first idea.

Usually, when you're building a house, the frame is propped with a convenient length of wood (often a scaffold board, 'cos they're long and handy) with a nail partly driven through it into the head of the frame, and angled away from it, a bit like a clothes line prop. You'll find it's surprisingly secure.
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Post: # 19184Post Batfink »

Muddypause wrote:...often a scaffold board, 'cos they're long and handy
Never a truer word said!

Thinking back to ours, I'm pretty damn sure that's the method we used too!
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