Save the daylight!

[Hernaic Tom]

http://www.lighterlater.org/

Lobby your MP to back the daylight saving bill on January 20th... So many environmental, social, health, economic, political, safety benefits for us all!!!

Tom

[Crickleymal]

Nah I demand proper British time! None of this fancy summertime rubbish. If it's good enough for Greenwich it's good enough for everyone else!

[Odsox]

No definitely not, even though it doesn't apply to me, we would have to follow suit if it happened in the UK.
It's OK for people living in SE England but here (for instance) it would still be dark as I type this at 09:15, and far worse for those in northern Scotland.
Plus here it would still be daylight at 1am at mid-summer, I like it to be dark when I go to bed.

[Zech]

No, absolutely not!

I get more bothered than is strictly reasonable by the idea that we can simply set the clocks to whatever time we fancy. Of course we can, but isn't a clock supposed to measure something? Specifically, midday should be when the sun is highest in the sky. Changing the clock is one step in distancing ourselves from the natural world. If you want to take advantage of the daylight, set your alarm clock earlier!

OK, rant over. I'll shut up now.

[gregorach]

Nooooooooo!

Last time this was tried, there was very nearly a revolution up here. It was a disaster. Wait until we've voted for independence, then you can set your clocks however you like.

I'm entirely unconvinced about the supposed benefits anyway. It's just another conspiracy by the "larks" to force everybody else to get up earlier. Well, I'm not having it!

[oldjerry]

Why do humans,given all the natural challenges of living on planet earth,see fit to create a totally artificial concept(time) and then allow it to dictate their entire lives?
If we were meant to do loads of stuff at night,we'd have been born with headlights.Do what you have to do when you can see what you're doing,and go to bed when it's cold and dark.If that means those of you in the frozen north effectively hibernate in winter,well lucky old you..

[boboff]

From a southernor, agreed, anything but please stop moving the time, I Hate it!

[Big Al]

Now if we could develope time travel we wouldn't need clocks cos we could travel to daylight.

[The Riff-Raff Element]

Nooooooooo!

Last time this was tried, there was very nearly a revolution up here. It was a disaster. Wait until we've voted for independence, then you can set your clocks however you like.

There is, of course, no reason why the border should not also represent a time zone - it does elsewhere in the world, after all. And there's no reason why Ireland shouldn't run one hour later than the UK.

Quite why western France and western Spain don't do as Portugal does and move an hour back onto UK time has always struck me as odd. Geographically it makes sense.

[Odsox]

And there's no reason why Ireland shouldn't run one hour later than the UK.

Big business reasons, and the REAL reason that some in the UK are pushing for it to happen.
As it stands there are 2 hours every day when they can't talk to European companies, plus an extra hour for French (lunch) companies, that only leaves five hours each day to make money.
Sod the ordinary Joe Soap who has to get up in darkness for about 3 month a year.

[gregorach]

Yup. Heaven forbid that traders in the City should just get up earlier and leave the rest of us alone.

[The Riff-Raff Element]

Yup. Heaven forbid that traders in the City should just get up earlier and leave the rest of us alone.

I'll have you know that when I worshiped in the Temple of Marmon I was at my desk at 6.15am each weekday morning Partly because I am a lark-type anyway and didn't find it a trial to be up stupidly early (mind you, I'm useless after 9.30pm) and partly because it annoyed and worried my underlings.

But you are quite right - the drive is coming from business who seem to believe that people will suddenly find more money to spend if there is an extra hour of light at the end of the day. Just like they believed opening supermarkets 24 hours a day would magically fill people's wallets

[gregorach]

[quote="The Riff-Raff Element"But you are quite right - the drive is coming from business who seem to believe that people will suddenly find more money to spend if there is an extra hour of light at the end of the day.[/quote]

Thing is... Up here, in the middle of winter it gets dark so early that it'll still be pitch dark before everyone leaves work, and in the middle of summer it doesn't get dark until midnight anyway. I'm pretty sure this proposal would actually result in me seeing less daylight overall - as it stands, I at least get to see the pre-sunrise lightening of the sky even on the shortest day. Shifting the clock forward an hour would mean that even that wouldn't happen until I was already at work.

Personally, I think we should do away with BST - then I might be able to get to sleep at a reasonable hour during the summer. Call me crazy, but I really don't like having to get up when it's dark or go to bed while it's light. This idea would give me lots more of both.

[The Riff-Raff Element]

Personally, I think we should do away with BST - then I might be able to get to sleep at a reasonable hour during the summer. Call me crazy, but I really don't like having to get up when it's dark or go to bed while it's light. This idea would give me lots more of both.

I wasn't being (too) flipant about the border being a timezone line. I occurs to me that one of the - albeit smaller - benefits of mutual independence would be that the individual countries could decide the timings that suit their geographical situation.