Recycling Ideas ?

[john]

Hi ALL, today the 23-1-2008 we had our waste collected, using the New collection system in GREENwich. Which is now our GREEN BIN is used for FOOD and GARDEN WASTE ONLY, which they are going to collect WEEKLY, and our BLUE TOP BIN can take a mix of CANs, CARDBOARD, GLASS, PLASTIC, and PAPER and CORRUGATED CARDBOARD too, all in one go, which will be collected WEEKLY, and if we have LEFT-OVERs like POLYSTYRENE, or DOG or CAT EXCREMENT, SANITARY TOWELs and INCONTINENCE PADs, COLD COAL and WOOD EMBERS, they must be all put in a SEALED BAG, any VACUUM CLEANER WASTE, CIGARETTE ENDs, COTTON WOOL PADs and BUDs and MAKE-UP WIPEs, COAT HANGERS, and BROKEN CROCKERY, which must be wrapped to avoid any injury to the dustman mainly, all these we are told to put in BLACK PLASTIC SACKs to be collected FORTNIGHTLY from now on. WHY! Why should we wait two weeks for it to be collected, when it could be all collected on the same day, and in another WHEELIE BIN say with a RED TOP. Plus we are being asked to pay for BAGs, GARDEN SACKs, CADDY LINERs when we as council tax payer already pay for every thing. This I pointed out to all the people who were present at our local COLDHARBOUR Estate NEIGHBOURHOOD PANEL MEETING, which had a man frow GREENWICH COUNCIL there talking about GREENWICH's New way of collecting our waste, and the ways they are going to RECYCLE and REUSE it to help to REDUCE it going to landfill sites, with the help of us all doing our bit. They say the money making side of things it's to improve their services for us, IN WHAT WAY! We have just paid for a New Council Materials Recycling Facility which Automatically sorts the Paper, Cans and Bottles and packs them into bales. yet we are being asked to seprate most things WHY! even though I don't mind doing it if it helps, but come on atleast supply us with the things we need, without us having to pay for it, even though some people don't mind doing that too, but that's their choice when they are being told we must all buy things to help the Council keep where we live looking clean and tidy, and free from Waste. If our Greenwich Council wants to show the best way to deal with its waste, its got to do more for us, and in return I'm sure we will all DO OUR BIT, like I am, in my own way as my website will show, and in some of my ideas I have put forward, which I believe are a bit outside the box ways of thinking. Thank you for taking the time to read my thoughts. I hope you all have a Happy New Year 2008, and may you and yours and what you grow live long and happy. John. J.R.P.

[john]

Hi ALL, I'm sorry if you can't get your head round my post, the main points I'm trying to make are, Yes it's a new system which is great, but WHY use black bags, when they could have given us another bin, say with a red top to put them in, instead of us having to put the black bags down by the side of our two other bins until they are collected fortnightly, making the area where we live look like a dump. When we have three new waste collecting lorries which did come round on the 23-1-2008, 1 at 6am, another at about 10am, and anther one at about 2pm, all on the same day. The point I'm trying to make is if they can do it one week, on one day, then why can they do it like that every week. If you would like to visit the Council website which cover everything I've been talking about in the way of info it's. Home Page is ok,www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwhich/YourEnv ... cling/Recy... John.J.R.P.

[john]

Hi ALL, I say what we need is a WASTE REVOLUTION in the UK, to take place now, because I believe we need to think and handle all our waste as a asset, and at no time should it go to landfill sites. I'm sure every thing we produce can be reused again in one way or another, but I believe because there is so much money involved which comes from our Council tax or Rents, which can be spent by people who are not really accountable for their actions on behalf of the people who actually pay the BILL, which is most of us at the end of the day, Governed by just a few people who all have their own ideas on how to deal with our waste PROBLEMs, with a end result of some Councils are doing a good job, and some are not, even our own Greenwich Council has started a New collection Service, but they are leaving it to the people to sort it out as time goes on, rather than having every thing in place before they started, for example not having enough blue top wheelie bins, or bin liners.
With this in mind I'm now in the position of being The Voice of our Coldharbour Estate, SE9, C.T.R.A. Waste and Recycling Team, which I intend to use, to help REDUCE as much of our waste as I can going to our landfill sites, with the help of others living on our estate, and with the backing of our Greenwich Council I know we can make a BIG difference, simply done by us all working together to help SOLVE any PROBLEMs, that's not going to go away over night, but with some of my outside the box ideas I will be putting forward to every one, we could change the way we do things over night, if used.
May be you want to be a voice for your estate too, and join me in my REVOLUTIONARY thoughts.
For example below is a copy of a C.T.R.A. Coldharbour, Tenants, Residents, Association, meeting paper I gave to our Greenwich Council representatives, to help me know more in the way of 20 questions. What I want at the end of the day is a service that's good value for money, and it deals with our waste as a asset not to be thrown away, but REUSED, I have so many ideas on how to make this come about, but only time will tell if I've been wasting my time or not, so I invite every one to watch this space, as you might find it of interest to you, as I try to change lots of things in my own way, with the help of others, now that I'm in the SYSTEM.
Power to the people who are doing their bit, in their own way all over the world to save our planet for future generations to come.
May you and yours and what you grow live long and happy. John.J.R.P.

C.T.R.A. meeting held on the 27th February 2008, is where people living on our Coldharbour Estate SE9 can have their say, and it will be acted upon in the future.
Here are some questions I would like answers to in regards to our New waste collection service started on Wednesday 21st of January 2008.
(1) Will our Greenwich Council Tax be going up tp pay for it?
(2) How much does it cost to deal with one GREEN TOP WHEELIE BIN?
(3) How much does it cost to deal with one BlUE TOP WHEELIE BIN?
(4) How much does it cost to deal with one Black Bag?
(5) How much does it cost to deal with one DAYs WASTE?
(6) How much does it cost to deal with one WEEKs WASTE?
(7) How much does it cost each person living on our Coldharbour Estate to have their WASTE collected?
(8) How much does it cost each person living on our Coldharbour Estate to have their STREETs free from rubbish?
(9) How much does it cost each person Living on our Coldharbour Estate to have their LARGE waste collected?
(10) How much does it cost each person living on our Coldharbour Estate to have their CONTAMINATED Wheelie bin dealt with?
(11) How much waste does our Coldharbour Estate produce over all?
(12) How much waste has been put into the GREEN TOP BINs and collected?
(13) How much waste has been put into the BLUE TOP BINs and collected?
(14) How much waste has been put into the BLACK BAGs and collected?
(15) How much waste has been put into the wrong PLASTIC CONTAINERs and collected?
(16) How much of our waste goes to landfill sites?
(17) How much of our waste gets REUSED?
(18) How much of our waste gets RECYCLED?
(19) How much would it cost to supply each person who has a WHEELIE BIN, with a Large Clear Bin LINER?
(20) How much would it cost to have our own Coldharbour Recycling Bank?
These are just some of the questions I will be asking The Greenwich Council waste representatives to night.

Which did turn out to be a very good presentation by our Greenwich Council Waste Service People, which I'm sure you could get arranged to where you live if you try.
Did you know if you are a home owner living in Greenwich you are charged £4 a item to have your bulk waste taken away, but if you are a Council Tenant you are not charged, This to me is DISCRIMINATION between peoples waste, and I've accused Greenwich Council and others of it. and I've said I want this to stop straight away or there's going to be a Big PROBLEM in the future, as we own our own house like so many others do, and we pay our Council Tax to cover this already, so WHY should we pay more to have the same type of waste removed?
These are some more of my ideas I'm putting forward.
We must do away with using Black Bags to help prevent people CONTAMINATATING their waste before it goes into the back of the waste collecting lorry.
We must have FREE BIN LINERS, and BAGs.
We must have enough Wheelie Bins for what we throw away.
We must have Free bulk household waste collection.
We must have all our wheelie bins made from clear recycled plastic.
We must have one way of dealing with our waste, to cover the whole of the UK.
We must all try to do our bit in a positive way to reuse and recycle our waste starting from a early age.
We must get our waste PROBLEMs sorted out as soon as possible, otherwise we are going to have a BIG PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE. John.J.R.P.

[john]

Hi ALL, our GREENWICH COUNCIL Waste Management is RUBBISH at dealing with our rubbish, I say this after trying to get our waste delt with in a posative way, to help reduce it going to landfill sites from our Coldharbour Estate SE9, done by trying to make sure every one has a Blue Top Wheelie Bin to use, to help recycle more, and to help reduce the risk of CONTAMINATION, which does happen if some people have only a Green Top Wheelie Bin to use.
I believe this could have all been sorted out years ago, if the Council had said to every one living in a Council House or their own homes, that we must all have a Green Top Wheelie bin supplied by the Council, to use for just food and Garden waste only, with some paper in them for food to be wrapped up in, and they should have also said that we must all have a Blue Top Wheelie bin supplied by the Council to, for what ever else can be reused or recycled, and then maybe adding another one later to cover what ever else was left.
But no they decided to start a New collection service this year, already knowing they would not be able to cope with what should have been already in place, which was Blue Top Wheelie Bins, and clear recycling bags, and a nappy service as promise, and a Management Team of people who actually new what to do.
I have spoken to a lot of our dustmen and people living on our estate, and they say the Greenwich Council Waste Management have not got a clue, they sit in their offices giving out work to be done by each man, not knowing about the job them selves, which of course they will claim is not the case, and saying we will sort things in the future.
For example when someone has taken the time to phone in to tell them they want a Blue Top Wheelie bin to use for example, they get told, they will get one A S P, which could take nearly a year going by some of the people I've spoken to, as each one is dealt with as they are entered down on the list to be ordered. So what happens is someone might want one in Eltham, someone might want one in Woolwich, someone might want one Greenwich, Someone might want one in New Eltham, then someone might want one in Lewisham, and so on, what then happens is a vehicle then travels from one house to another in that order until each one is delivered, that's why its's taking so long, instead of doing a bulk delievery when they have enough to fill one lorry brought in from Germany, to cover a lot more people in one go, who are living in a certain area, and then move on to the next one until we all have our bins to use as a way of life, instead of some Councils supplying boxes,bags,sacks which all have to be picked up at some time with what ever weight they have inside them, where as if we all had the same type of wheelie bin no matter where we lived, this I believe would cut down on our dustmen being injured trying to do their job, oked by someone who's working in a office who has more than likely never done the same job them selves.
Once upon time the dust men worked a job and knock system, and made sure that all our rubbish was removed, as they were seen to be doing a good job if no one complained. But now they have to work certain hours to make the management system work, which is clearly coursing lots of PROBLEMS as they believe the management have not got a clue in the best way to run such an important service. For example did you know if someone wants to change their large wheelie bin for a smaller one, their old wheelie bin is destroyed because it's been used before, and they would rather buy a brand new one instead of giving it to someone else to use, to help keep down cost.
Did you know for years the Greenwich Council accounts department has not been charging some businesses, and schools for example for collecting their rubbish, which they should have, but when they tell the people that they must start to pay now, most of them don't, and they change to a private contractor to do the same job for some reason. So even more money has been missmanaged for years, and no one will be held accountable for it, as it's only our money they are manageing which makes no profit, even though they get everything for free paid for in one way or another by us. I have heard that they are now starting to paint some Green Top Wheelie Bin lids Black to use, I wonder if this is to put the black sacks in to replace us leaving the black sacks out, which then have to be picked up each time not knowing what's in them. Apart from that we are still waiting for about 100 Blue Top Wheelie Bins to cover our estate, which is getting on for three months now since they were ordered by me and others to help solve our recycling PROBLEM. I was told that Bexley waste management has got a system where their peoples waste day is collected with in half an hour of each other, not taking all day like ours, and more when contractor lorrys come round to pick up what the dustmen wont take, because it's been contaminated in some way, which is when people usually put stuff in either bins in black bags, instead of waiting until the righ day for them to be collected, which is once a fortnight where we live in Greenwich at the moment.
I can't wait until the next public meeting of Councillors and MPs, and Waste Management, and C.T.R.A. members to talk about things that concern us in one way or another.
May you and yours and what you grow live long and happy. John.J.R.P.

[john]

Hi ALL, this is how our Greenwich Council solved our Community Hall Waste Bin PROBLEM of not being emptied by them for a long time, they simply took it away on a large open back lorry and never replaced it with another one, why because they say a bill as not been paid, even though the caretaker said her manager said to her, it had been paid, and can prove it. But no they went a head and took it away, which all came about after me and the caretaker manager keeped complaining about the Community Hall waste bin not being emptied each week ever since they started our New waste collection service back in January, even though the same dustmen go past it to collect rubbish from a tower block just up the end of our road, say about 100 yards away. The crazy bit is. We were told it was not on any list to be emptied by them, even though they had been doing it for years before they started their NEW waste service this year, and they have had the same dustmen who have been told to empty it, do it as well, so you would have thought someone would have said something about our PROBLEM before now, which seems to prove our Greenwich Waste Service is rubbish at dealing with our waste PROBLEMs, as others have told me too.
There is some very good News though, we have just had a lorry load of Blue Top Wheelie Bins to use, giving to lots of people who are living on our Coldharbour Estate SE9.
There is also some more good news, I now have a Gardening friend who's a teacher, and I have a Headmaster at the same school where he works who are both keen on getting my way of growing things up and running as a school project, starting at the end of Mayish, after the children have had their exams, which is the most posative thing I've heard for along time, plus the fact, my system is proving to other it works very well as the years pass, as more and more people who try it will find out.
The only trouble I have is some people think I'm boasting every time I post something to do with the way I feel about things, good or bad, because I stand by what I say, to the point they think I must be mad or on something to carry on in the way that I do. What's the point of having a idea if you can't share it with others, even if they may not agree.
Thank you for taking the time to read my message, I will keep you imformed of our waste bin situation next time I post. John.J.R.P. the Voice of Coldharbours Estate C.T.R.A. Waste and Recycling Team.

[john]

Hi ALL, LABOUR STAYS SILENT ON WHO FACES WASTE BIN TAX, as reported in a news paper I read today dated the 30-4-2008.
ALMOST two in three homes could be taxed on their rubbish under minister's target, according to the Tories.
They said the Government was plotting to bring in pay-as-you-throw schemes only after the local elections, by refusing to reveal which Councils will be involved in trials, MINISTERS were keeping people in the dark, previous ministers have said trials will be run in just five areas, and that 14 unnamed local authorities have expressed interest in taking part. But the TORIES PRODUCED DOCUMENTS CONTAINING PLANS which said officials believe BIN TAXES will mean that 'just over 62 per cent of HOUSEHOLDS are COVERED by CHARGING SCHEMES'. Labour intend to spread bin taxes across the country, which will cause a massive public backlash. The public have the right to know if their TOWN HALL is going to INCREASE TAXES on them after the elections.
In 2007 a Environment Secretary threw his weight behind PAY-AS-YOU-THROW TAXES, PILOTS can go ahead once the CLIMATE CHANGE BILL, which is currently before Parliament makes it legal for Councils to make additional CHARGES FOR RUBBISH COLLECTION, ON TOP OF COUNCIL TAX.
DEFRA says FAMILIES are likely to be BILLED for the WEIGHT of rubbish they put out, or for the NUMBER of SACKS or BLACK BAGS they use.
BINS would be IDENTIFIED by MICROCHIPS. But Councils could also charge in other ways. MINISTERS say the charges would encourage US to RECYCLE MORE and put out LESS WASTE.. But they do acknowledge that families, who inevitably generate the most waste, will be hardest hit. COSTS were originally put at about £30 a year, but Ministers then admitted they are more likely to be £50, other analysts believe they could hit £100.

(me) I believe the reason Councils want us to pay more for dealing with our waste is, they are contracting more and more out to anybody who wants to do the job, using our money to pay for someone else to do it, rather than do it them selves. This way the management can blaim others if something goes wrong with the system, so when we see a Council Waste collection lorry with there name on it, this does not mean the men in it are employed by the Council its self, this applies to lots of other services too.
What I believe is unfair about the way the waste system works is, People are being charged more in one way or another if they happen to live in a house or have their own bin collection service laid on, but the people who happen to live in tower blocks for example don't, why, when they must throw away just as much waste, if not more.
By the way we have now got a NEW waste bin at out Colharbour Estate Community Hall, to replace our one they took away a week ago because of a PROBLEM with the system.
And today I've just shown my gardening school teacher friend how to make my vertical growing system, made from reusing lots of waste 4 pint milk containers he had already collected to do the job on his plot or at his school, with the use of some long and short bean canes he now knows how to grow things like me. to show others. John.J.R.P.

[john]

Hi ALL, guess who's appearing on BBC 1 EastEnders Monday the 12 May 2008 at 8:00pm and on Sunday the 18 May 2008 ( Sunday Omnibus ), NO it's not me playing the part of a excentric professor, who's into reusing waste and gardening, and trying to help save lives for next to nothing. It's our youngest grandson Oaklee, who's playing the part of FELIX, who's a doctors young son.
We ask Oaklee did he have a good time being filmed, he said yes, and then he told us everyone said hello, and asked what was his name, and he said OAKLEE , and they shook hands, we said who did you meet, he told us that he had met Barbra Windsor, and all the other people involved in making the programme, who all said they hope to see him again as he was such a good boy.
Oaklee then showed us a photo of himself standing next to Barbra Windsor, and some other members of the cast, which his Mum or Dad took to remind him of the 2 days he spent Filmimg on EastEnders
That reminds me I must take a photo of him to go with my other grandchildren shown on my website doing something, to show other children and adults what they can do too.
With this in mind I've just met a young teacher who's very interested in the way I grow things who's school is near the Elephant & Castle in London, I'm going to show him how to make it first, then he can show others who might be interested too. I might even go there to help him set things up, like I'm going to do with my other school project starting soon.
May you and yours and what you grow live long and happy. John.J.R.P.

[Millymollymandy]

That's great John, you must be very proud of him!

[john]

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[Ratty]

Hi ALL, this is a appeal on behalf of our local Vicar lady ******* of St ******* church ********, *******, **** in regards to trying to help a young child who suffers from Leukaemia, simply done by saving all the plastic milk container CAPs she can get hold of from the local Community.
If you would like to help her to do this, can you please send or get them to her in some way, thank you, which will also help reduce them going to landfill sites too.
May you and yours and what you grow live long and happy. John.J.R.P.

I'm sorry but this is an age-old scam - there is no value in plastic milk container caps - if there was then they would already be part of our recycling stream. There are genuine ways in which to help raise cash for Leukaemia sufferers, this is NOT one of them.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/sho ... ?p=9406131

Ratty

Post edited By Admin member - Andy Hamilton to take away the name of the church.

[Annpan]

This does seem like a scam, apparently there are loads of scams about collecting worthless things to buy a wheelchair... which is a real shame.

I did find one article on the BBC here about getting money for a bin bag full (£50 - apparently)... but this raises issues of transportation costs (environmentally and monetary) Seems to me that there are better ways of raising money for a wheelchair (and some scams are for dialisis, transplants, etc)

Really, in Britain we have the luxury of the NHS - there are more questions to ask if wheelchairs (or whatever else) for children are not being provided by the NHS. Which I think they are... which is why I think this is a scam.

[john]

Hi RATTY and ANNOPAM, can you please delete your post as I have blackened the GOOD name of our church in trying to help.Thank you. John.J.R.P.

[Annpan]

Hi RATTY and ANNOPAM, can you please delete your post as I have blackened the GOOD name of our church in trying to help.Thank you. John.J.R.P.

Sorry John but I don't want to delete my message. Unfortunately lots of people have been fooled by this scam in the past - lots of well meaning people. We should let people know it is a scam and not be ashamed about anyone who has been sucked in. I imagine your church was well intentioned in taking part in this and so the name is not 'blackened'.

[Ratty]

John

I'm afraid I feel the same way as Annpan here. And I really don't appreciate Personal Messages telling me that I have blackened the Church's name! If the Moderators feel that our messages should be removed then I'm sure they will do so. In the meantime, I stand firmly behind what I have said. A far better and quicker way to raise funds would be to collect tins & cans for recycling - I'm sure you're aware that metal scrap pays a premium price now! And please don't think that I am unsympathetic to the cause - as a mother myself who lost a young son suddenly to Leukaemia just last year I do all I can to raise funds for charity including Children with Leukaemia (you can see evidence of this on my website link). I hope this information is helpful.

Thanks and regards.

Ratty

[Andy Hamilton]

I think that whoever started the scam has blackened the name of the church and in fact it is perpetuated by anyone furthering the scam, not by anyone pointing out that it is a scam (in my opinion). People need to know that this scam exists in order to avoid it.

John, might I suggest that you google anything like this in future 99.5% of these sort of things are not kosher.

I will now treat this matter as closed and the topic will now be locked. Any further PM should be sent to me and to no-one else.