Corn Juice

[Durgan]

http://www.durgan.org/URL/?ZWVZC 6 August 2012 Corn Juice
Corn is in season now.It is of the highest quality. Cost is six dollars for 14 cobs if you have your own bag. Eighty four cobs were processed into 22 litres of juice.Twenty one litres was pressure canned at 15 PSI for 15 minutes for long term storage and one litre was placed in the refrigerator for current use.Some peppers,okra and egg plant, since they were available from the garden, was added to the cooking pot.Water was added to make the product liquid enough for drinking. Each litre of juice contains 3.8 cobs of corn. Annotated photos depict the process.

[demi]

What do you do with all the pulp left over from juicing?
Do you eat it, or compost it, or feed it to the pigs??

I prefer smoothies because you use the whole fruit and dont waste anything. You need the fiber to fill you up and help clean your digestive system. You never answered my question from before, do you only eat ( or drink ) juiced plants? Don't you eat any normal food, like lasanga or stir-frys? I was on this fruitarian forum before ( they banned me though for questioning their phillosophy ), and they drink a lot of smoothies and just eat raw fruit and some salads and raw veg. I could never stomach the veggie smoothies, i'd rather just eat a salad with lots of fresh herbs and lemmon juice, garlic and cracked black pepper. I dont use salt, don't like vinigar or oil dressings, but somtimes make oriental dressings with honey and soy sauce ect.
But i think the most important thing about diet is variety, to ensure you get the right balance of nutirants, and dont become deficient in anything. Which is why also i'd never be vegan, because they have to take vitamin B12 suppliments as they dont get sufficient amounts from their animal/dairy feee diets. So i allways eat dairy and eggs, even though we don't eat too much meat. And i make sure the kids get dairy products on a daily basis, and we eat a lot of beans/eggs/soya/pulses ect, especially if we're not eating meat. I cook all our food from scratch, never buy 'processed' junk food ( although other people buy it for the kids which makes me mad ). I do have a sweet tooth though and make my own cakes/pan cakes/ice cream ect, but not too often though as i'v got no control and just eat it all till its finnished! Thats my downfall.

[Durgan]

What do you do with all the pulp left over from juicing?
Do you eat it, or compost it, or feed it to the pigs??

I prefer smoothies because you use the whole fruit and dont waste anything. You need the fiber to fill you up and help clean your digestive system. You never answered my question from before, do you only eat ( or drink ) juiced plants? Don't you eat any normal food, like lasanga or stir-frys? I was on this fruitarian forum before ( they banned me though for questioning their phillosophy ), and they drink a lot of smoothies and just eat raw fruit and some salads and raw veg. I could never stomach the veggie smoothies, i'd rather just eat a salad with lots of fresh herbs and lemmon juice, garlic and cracked black pepper. I dont use salt, don't like vinigar or oil dressings, but somtimes make oriental dressings with honey and soy sauce ect.
But i think the most important thing about diet is variety, to ensure you get the right balance of nutirants, and dont become deficient in anything. Which is why also i'd never be vegan, because they have to take vitamin B12 suppliments as they dont get sufficient amounts from their animal/dairy feee diets. So i allways eat dairy and eggs, even though we don't eat too much meat. And i make sure the kids get dairy products on a daily basis, and we eat a lot of beans/eggs/soya/pulses ect, especially if we're not eating meat. I cook all our food from scratch, never buy 'processed' junk food ( although other people buy it for the kids which makes me mad ). I do have a sweet tooth though and make my own cakes/pan cakes/ice cream ect, but not too often though as i'v got no control and just eat it all till its finnished! Thats my downfall.

You described my position very closely. I drink about a litre of the "juices" daily often a mixture in the serving glass.My day is always started with a bowl of nuked or previously cooked rolled oats, skim milk and a bowl of previously cooked soy beans. Processed sugar I do not have in the house. The remainder of the daily food is topping up for the necessary nutrients and variety is the key. This varies, cooked nuts, various fruits if available, pilot bread, previously baked beans, vegetable home soup, baked potato. In general avoid anything made with processed flour.

For years I ingested fresh fruit and vegetables beat in the blender. I am convinced this is a wastage, since I suspect digestion is not nearly as efficient as cooked.
http://www.durgan.org/URL/?YLVDA 25 June 2012 Twelve Vegetable Juicing (General view of new approach).
My old Method.
http://www.durgan.org/URL/?YTLUO 5 June 2011 Juice (The old method)

Moderation with humans is simply not possible. Put something desirable in front of most people and they will ingest similar to the actions of a hungry dog. “Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess.” Oscar Wilde

[demi]

But juicing the way you do removes all the bulk fiber from the fruit and veg. Fiber is a really important part of your diet. Without it you're at higher risk for things like bowel cancers and various problems with your digestive system.

Look here for example:
http://www.nhs.uk/chq/pages/1141.aspx?c ... goryid=167

And here:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/48312 ... low-fiber/

[boboff]

Just

[Durgan]

But juicing the way you do removes all the bulk fiber from the fruit and veg. Fiber is a really important part of your diet. Without it you're at higher risk for things like bowel cancers and various problems with your digestive system.

Look here for example:
http://www.nhs.uk/chq/pages/1141.aspx?c ... goryid=167

And here:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/48312 ... low-fiber/

There is a misconception here. The so called fibre that is removed by my juicing method and is discarded is not fit for humans but for horses and ruminants. Fibre insoluble and soluble is microscopic and is very much present in my juicing method. For example, blueberries are not strained since after blending there is no rough fibre to remove, it is all microscopic, meaning it passed through the filters in the strainers. If one eats a large quantity of blueberries their faeces will be prodigious, certainly a good yardstick by which fibre intake can be ascertained.Some of the residue discarded from fruits and vegetables is almost like gravel. I cannot imagine the pundits are considering the harm this type of material will do to a persons digestive system. Study these photos which sort of verifies my position. http://www.durgan.org/URL/?BTEGK 9 July 2012 Gooseberry Juice All commercial juice has the microscopic fibre removed and is basically coloured water often fortified, with marketing nonsense to an unsuspecting public. A prime example is Juice from concentrate.

In conclusion insoluble fibre should not be confused with the roughage that one can visibly see, which should never be ingested.

[demi]

But its the roughage which cleans out your digestive trackt as its passing through, preventing digestive problems.

[boboff]

No Demi, not the stuff you can see.... You should NEVER eat corn without Juicing it first, or else it just comes out in your pooooooooooo looking like, well like it did when it went in! ( ok you have to chew it first!)

[demi]

No Demi, not the stuff you can see.... You should NEVER eat corn without Juicing it first, or else it just comes out in your pooooooooooo looking like, well like it did when it went in! ( ok you have to chew it first!)

Sweetcorn allways comes out in my poo looking like it did when it went in, even though i chew it. Weird........

[Odsox]

I'm a bit confused Durgan as you seem to delight in contradicting yourself. You say that <quote> "roughage that one can visibly see, which should never be ingested", although earlier in this post you say that you eat rolled oats, beans, fruit, nuts and potatoes, all of which are high in fibre roughage that is indeed visible to the naked eye.
To eliminate all macroscopic fibre from your diet you would need to eat only highly processed foods, even if the processing is done by yourself, which if I remember rightly is one of pet hates that you describe as "poison".

[Durgan]

I'm a bit confused Durgan as you seem to delight in contradicting yourself. You say that <quote> "roughage that one can visibly see, which should never be ingested", although earlier in this post you say that you eat rolled oats, beans, fruit, nuts and potatoes, all of which are high in fibre roughage that is indeed visible to the naked eye.
To eliminate all macroscopic fibre from your diet you would need to eat only highly processed foods, even if the processing is done by yourself, which if I remember rightly is one of pet hates that you describe as "poison".

"I'm a bit confused Durgan as you seem to delight in contradicting yourself"
May I suggest that you are mis-interpreting the essence of the post. Maybe you should slowly pursue my previous post. It would appear to be clear and concise. It even has explanatory photos with captions.

Great chunks of roughage are not beneficial to the human digestive track. Roughage environmentally surrounds us in the form of grass. I have never seen humans grazing to increase their roughage intake, and young grass is very tender and can even be chewed to a fine consistency, certainly made easy to swallow. Probably room for some enterprising person to process and advertise as great food, and even essential.

My thrust is there are two major types of fibre, soluble and insoluble, and both to be beneficial to the human gut need be in general microscopic in particles size. The soluble fibre is utilized by the body to function, the insoluble is beneficial for correct operation of the large intestine. Commercial processed products tend to eliminate almost all fibre soluble and insoluble. My sample mentioned was juice made from reconstituted juice, orange juice for example, apple juice and most of the other juiced products sold under the guise of being "Juice". Centrifugal juice methods completely eliminate fibre and the product obtained is coloured water, with many of the nutrients removed, hence the fortifying with ascorbic acid, Vitamin C , and of course other vitamins usually D. Not to mention the many obscure additives.

There are almost no nutritional products or physical beneficial products removed by my method of "juicing". It I operated a restaurant and put a tablespoon of salt in many of he products most people would rave about the wonderful soup. It could even be enhanced (to satisfy the taste buds for fat, salt and sugar) by the addition of chicken broth, or beef broth. For the fruit juices, processed sugar could be added. From my observations there seems to be a surfeit of all three, fat, salt, and sugar, in the diet of Western countries.

All the criticism appears to be focusing on the tiny bit of gross fibre discarded. I seriously doubt that it could be dried and sold in a separate package along with the litre of "juice". Any processing does change plant products, and the objective is to try and retain as much beneficial material as possible. Certainly commercial interests only consider taste and appearance, and the god of all shelf life.

Cooked or raw is a much debated subject with little or no field testing. Certainly it is impossible to ingest almost all the grains raw and most of the pulses.Fresh varieties of fruit and vegetables are not readily available to most people of the world 365 days of the year. Hence the various long term storage methods.

[demi]

Im pretty sure its the bulk fiber, the stuff you're throwing away, which goes undigested through your digestive system clearing it out as it passes allong.

QUOTE:
"Make sure to eat as much of the food as possible, as the skin of vegetables and the husk of grains are often the greatest sources of insoluble fiber."

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-insoluble-fiber.htm

[Durgan]

Im pretty sure its the bulk fiber, the stuff you're throwing away, which goes undigested through your digestive system clearing it out as it passes allong.

QUOTE:
"Make sure to eat as much of the food as possible, as the skin of vegetables and the husk of grains are often the greatest sources of insoluble fiber."

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-insoluble-fiber.htm

Ah the crux of the matter. The amount of throw-away from my juicing process of almost every product would not even be on good sitting on the toilet. The perfect test is blueberries. There is absolutely no throw-away from processing blueberries, yet the amount of faeces is prodigious. Clearly blueberries are packed with insoluble fibre. Again, don't associate roughage with insoluble fibre in the practicable sense. Clearly roughage, as I define it, is insoluble fibre, but of the worst possible kind for the human body, and at best a very small quantity of the total insoluble fibre that we ingest. Commercial processing of our food supply certainly eliminates much of the beneficial insoluble fibre. Example, my processed apple juice is relatively thick compared to the commercial coloured water sold as apple juice. There is not one particle of any fibre in juice from concentrate. Processed white flower is devoid of much fibre, both soluble and insoluble. It is even getting difficult to purchase whole wheat flour that doesn't eliminate the insoluble fibre. I can buy whole grain wheat flour from only one place in London, Ontario for my pilot bread. I have contemplated buying a flour mill just to make the flour. Commercial whole wheat flour is not the same as whole grain flour. Polished white rice suffers from the same deficiency.

[prison break fan]

Why has Durgan suddenly become so controversial? I didn't think anyone took much notice of all his posts! I assume he is a he!! pbf.

[demi]

But why dont you just eat and apple instead of juicing it and throwing half of it away? It just seems like a waste to me.
Also there is a lot of fresh juices avalible which arn't poisonous. Like 'Innocent' smoothies and juices, look here:
http://www.innocentdrinks.co.uk/things-we-make
But of course i understand the desire to make things yourself instead of having to buy them. But as far as vegatables go, i think eating a nice big mixed salad with whole ingridients is better than juicing it and throwing half of it away.

Just to give an example, I'v got a carton of orange juice in my fridge. The ingridients read: 100% Pressed Orange Juice. No sugar added. Pasturized. No preservitives.

Whats wrong with that? Its convienent for me because i dont have orange trees to make my own , which is why i buy it. However I do make my smoothies from the fruit from our orchard, mixed with this orange juice or another fruit juice like it to make it more drinkable.

Anyway, my point is there are lots of healthy options in the supermarket, if you wanted to buy from there, not all juice is full of additives and sugar. Theres also lots of options for whole grain foods too, brown rice and pasta ect. I can even find these things in the local supermarket here, where options and variety is very much limited.