Oh cakes maybe but bread is not that hard, especially with that quick yeast you get now. Bung it all in Knead it till the kettles finished boiling then in the tins and have a cup of tea! I then bog off down the allotment til I'M cream-crackered and by then the bread has risen and goes int eh oven while I get changed- hot bread for lunch
I guess it's a nice idea to measure the water you use...
I have to confess I just don't get this setting point thing. I ahve made jam all of 3 times and the first time it seemed unbelievably easy but took a couple of hours, the second I boiled it for over 3 hours, seemed to be getting nowhere so gave up potted it anyway and its like rock now

The third I decided I didn't have a clue so just boiled it for nearly an hour and it seems to have set.
Its not science it's witchcraft
