This is the place to discuss not just allotments but all general gardening problems and queries which don't fit into the specific categories below.
(formerly allotments and tips, hints and problems)
She said she enjoyed it. Not that she gained a benefit from it. Just because you do something doesn't mean that it has to have a benefit. And visa versa.
I know what she means. I enjoyed smoking. I enjoyed the taste, and the smell of the smoke. I stopped cos of the cost. And don't start on the "that's not enjoyment, that's addiction" speech. That's crap. I'll admit some people do suffer from an addiction issue. Does that mean that all people do?
I agree with that, I enjoyed smoking but probably the only benefit I got was a morning cough and a lighter wallet.
I used to enjoy stopping what I was doing for a quiet smoke, having a smoke while waiting for something, finishing a meal with a smoke.
Now that I've stopped I still miss those moments.
Tony
Disclaimer: I almost certainly haven't a clue what I'm talking about.
I enjoyed it too, it was just the cost. When I smoked, there was not all the info about the health risks, so maybe I wouldn't have started had there been. pbf
hoomin_erra wrote:She said she enjoyed it. Not that she gained a benefit from it.
I know she said she enjoyed being an outcast - fair doo's. WRT benefits, that relates to a previous post of mine when I asked what benefits you get from smoking. I was just wondering what benefits fee fairy got.
hoomin_erra wrote:And don't start on the "that's not enjoyment, that's addiction" speech. That's crap. I'll admit some people do suffer from an addiction issue. Does that mean that all people do?
Nicotine is addictive and that is a fact. That fact is not even up for debate (google nicotine addiction if you are not convinced) so yes if someone smokes cigarettes they are addicted to nicotine whether they think they are or not. You were addicted until you stopped because you couldn't afford it and now that the chemical has left your body you no longer need a fix. If it wasn't addictive then you would have stopped after your first ever cigarette because it was disgusting - remember? It tastes disgusting, gives you bad breath, makes you smell and kills you so why on earth would you carry on doing it? Simple because you are addicted.
I find marmite disgusting so I don't eat it 20 times a day. I like south indian garlic chilli chicken but I don't have it 3 times a day every day. So the only reason someone smokes 20 a day is because they are addicted to nicotine.
I always enjoyed smoking, until recently. Suddenly, after 40yrs. i decided that i had had enough, & so i stopped.... because i wanted to, which is the only reason that any smoker will stop. My Jackie (remember her?) has tried & tried & tried to quit, but after numerous attempts is back on the weed. It's not her fault, it's just the way it is. As she says; she enjoys it too much to give up. Never mind about the health/financial issue (we all do things that aren't neccessarily healthy for us, or financially viable). Is it a habit?...... maybe, is it addictive?.......maybe, is it a drug that alters your state of mind?.....maybe, is it legal & is it a good source of revenue,.......yes. Is it a drain on the N.H.S.?.....yes, so is driving a car.............so many questions, but no real answers.
it's either one or the other, or neither of the two.
Millymollymandy wrote:Good Earth you do seem to be practically quoting that book.
I know, it has obviously resonated quite profoundly for me! I am just so pleased that I managed to easily give up using the book. I just hope others give it a go and finally get rid of the little nicotine monster.
No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery
Day 3, 4, 5, ... 100 are the easy ones. I don't care what anyone says, giving up is initially easy. Well .. not easy, but achievable. Even when the blue meanies get you, you can get through because you know you're giving up. Oh no - the difficult bit is when you think that you HAVE stopped smoking. There you are, standing in the bar, and someone offers you a cigarette. "No, I don't" is what you should say, but what comes out of your mouth is "Oh, no, I've given them up". Stupid, eh? Of course, within ten minutes, you have a fag in your gob, telling yourself that you can handle it, you've stopped. At that very moment in time, you haven't and you've failed.
In my opinion, that book which is being bandied around is a waste of time. OF COURSE you're going to agree with anti-nicotine guru while you're reading it. OF COURSE you're going to see the light. And, for some people, it will work - good for them. But for the majority, giving up what is undeniably a very habit-forming drug is sheer hell which will go on ... and on ... and on.
As one who has given up so many times that I have to know whereof I speak (!!!!!!!) I can only say that ...
a) Never ever say that you've given up - you're in temporary remission.
b) If anyone offers you a cigarette AFTER you've told them you're giving up, accept it and put it in your pocket/handbag. Throw it away later and laugh - guess what those nice people were trying to do!
c) If it's at all avoidable, don't speak to anyone - not even your nearest and dearest - about what you're trying to do. If you do, all that will happen is that you'll get the standard stuff from never-smokers who haven't the foggiest what they're talking about.
d) When you've managed to give up - really managed - drop me a PM and tell me how you did it.
And the very best of luck.
The secret of life is to aim below the head (With thanks to MMM)
hi mkj, i agree with what you say there. After i've managed to be "smoke-free" for a 100wks or more, i'll pm you with the secret of my success!.......( don't hold yer breath!).
it's either one or the other, or neither of the two.
MKG wrote:d) When you've managed to give up - really managed - drop me a PM and tell me how you did it.
MKG - I was like you. I could give up for a year and then stupidly think I could try just one and then I'd be back on the weed. What you need is Allen Carr's follow up, The Easyway to Stop Smoking PERMANENTLY. This is how I did it. If like me you are very stubborn, terrier like and have a very strong will (all quoted by my wife over the years!) then this should help you.
Pumpy - I thought you had stopped smoking and it was your wife you were looking to help??
No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery
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