Bees anyone?

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Wow. Fantastic, I just wrote a long post about my experiences with bees in TBHs and the whole post was lost. :(

The whole thing boils down to the fact that bees are bees wherever you keep them. In a pot, cardboard box, chimney or a beehive. If you prefer a chimney to a skep or a national hive to a dadant beehive, please do so and keep them in the way which fits best to your circumstances and abilities.
Here are some problems I had with TBH
Comb collapse
winter moisture
swarming
complicated for inspection
time consuming to work with
low honey yields
Although with more experience I could avert most problems I had then , when I was just starting and also an TBH fan.

I wanted this topic to be a talk on how to start and enjoy beekeeping. Not fight over preferred beehives.
I don't think there is ONE true way of beekeeping (nor anything else).
Beekeeping is very local specific and person specific.
I am ready to learn more from whom ever possible, be it a tbh, skep or any other variety of beekeeper.
I consider biobee as a friendly community but I feel most of the folks there are newbies. I could be wrong of course.
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Odsox wrote:What is it about top bar hives that make their devotees slag off anyone who has a different opinion ?
I think TBH users are just keen to let others know there is a viable, less interfering, low impact way of keeping bees. They are not mere "toys". I think it's great Sasha is keen too share her beekeeping experience, but this shouldn't mean that others are not allowed to share theirs.
Odsox wrote:And if the members of Biobees forum are so friendly, how come you have to register before you can read any postings (unlike this forum) ?
I'm rather confused why you consider a need to register on a forum as an unfriendly gesture. It's just the way the site has been set up and it only takes seconds.

You beat me to posting Sasha - so bravo to your post above :flower: .

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contadina wrote:I think TBH users are just keen to let others know there is a viable, less interfering, low impact way of keeping bees.
Yes maybe so, but "keenness" doesn't mean you can accuse people with a different view as talking "twaddle" and be told to keep their opinions to themselves.
contadina wrote: I'm rather confused why you consider a need to register on a forum as an unfriendly gesture.
My point here is it smacks of a closed society which actively discourages casual callers.
If I hadn't been able to read posts on this Ish forum when I stumbled across it, I would almost certainly not have bothered to register.
In fact I don't think I have seen another forum where you can't read without registering, just not able to post.
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Odsox wrote:What is it about top bar hives that make their devotees slag off anyone who has a different opinion ?
And what is it about National and Lang beekeepers that makes them want to slag off TBHs so much?
Odsox wrote:And if the members of Biobees forum are so friendly, how come you have to register before you can read any postings (unlike this forum) ?
Read your post again and tell me this is a friendly forum.

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Sasha wrote:Wow. Fantastic, I just wrote a long post about my experiences with bees in TBHs and the whole post was lost. :(

The whole thing boils down to the fact that bees are bees wherever you keep them. In a pot, cardboard box, chimney or a beehive. If you prefer a chimney to a skep or a national hive to a dadant beehive, please do so and keep them in the way which fits best to your circumstances and abilities.
Here are some problems I had with TBH
Comb collapse
winter moisture
swarming
complicated for inspection
time consuming to work with
low honey yields
Although with more experience I could avert most problems I had then , when I was just starting and also an TBH fan.

I wanted this topic to be a talk on how to start and enjoy beekeeping. Not fight over preferred beehives.
I don't think there is ONE true way of beekeeping (nor anything else).
Beekeeping is very local specific and person specific.
I am ready to learn more from whom ever possible, be it a tbh, skep or any other variety of beekeeper.
I consider biobee as a friendly community but I feel most of the folks there are newbies. I could be wrong of course.
Cheers
You're right. The style of beekeeping is a personal choice. It's much like keeping chickens - the more people that understand the animals and provide a home for them the better. Just like I think everyone with a garden should keep a few chooks, there's no reason why many more people shouldn't keep bees. As you've already said, they're fascinating animals, and great to watch, they're important for the garden, but, like chooks, they can also provide something for us humans.

To address your concerns:

Comb collapse is largely caused by siting of the hive, not the shape of the box. Comb collapse is common in frames in my climate.

Winter moisture isn't more of an issue as far as I'm aware.

Swarming happens when the colony isn't happy with their home or when they outgrow it. From talking to the maestro who we got our nuc from, it's as much of an issue with Langs as with any other design. Again, it's more about siting the hive than about the hive as such.

The next 3 I can deal with together. TB beekeeping is about leaving the bees to do what they want. It's based on the view that every time you do something to the colony, you're stressing it and making it more prone to disease. It's more akin to just providing a home for a feral swarm than trying to make the bees do what you want. Inspections are less frequent, 'working' on the hive is kept to an absolute minimum, and honey yields are expected to be lower. That's why I said you don't understand TB beekeeping enough to comment on it from an informed perspective.

On the plus side, TBHs provide:

- a very easy entry to beekeeping. Hives are much easier to build than Langs. It is a more self-sufficientish approach.
- Colonies are healthier than those in 'farming'-style hives (Nationals and Langs) without the use of chemicals.

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Post: # 158727Post Sasha »

Contadino. I am glad that you enjoy your TBH.
I could argue with you on most of the points you made, but what is the point? You have made your choice. No need for me to dispute your findings. Do you enjoy your bees? How many times do you inspect them ? Is there lot of nectar sources, what are your main sources of nectar? What about your equipment, did you improvise or did you made your own equipment?
Did you see swarming sometimes?
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I stroll down to where the hive is and just watch them for a bit most days, but I inspect them only once a month or two. There's comb in there which contains (I think) queen, honey and brood cells, so I'll leave them to it and split in the Spring into another hive.

The flow was good, but things started to wilt as summer kicked in, so they're now living off a little available forage and their honey reserves. Fortunately we've just had a week of showers, so maybe things will pickup for them again, and we've been propagating all sorts of forage crops especially for them over the last few years so they'll be OK. Rosemary, lavender, sage, thyme, etc... all do well here, plus decorative plants which they visit.

When I got setup, I bought one of those combined smock/veil things. It cost about €40 and was the best bit of kit I got. I also got a cheap smoker but have never used it. Luckily the bees are pretty calm. Everything else is homemade.

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Its not easy to be a beekeeper. See what happened this spring to me.

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A few weeks ago I agreed to let a neighbour keep a bee hive at the bottom of my garden. Monday afternoon I was stung on the lip and still look like Lesley Ash! p[bf.

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prison break fan wrote:A few weeks ago I agreed to let a neighbour keep a bee hive at the bottom of my garden. Monday afternoon I was stung on the lip and still look like Lesley Ash! p[bf.
Very unusual behavior. bees are very peaceful. Did you work something close to the beehive?
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No Sasha, I was just being (get the pun?) nosy!! pbf.

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