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Supporting stuff that needs supporting, Beans etc

Post: # 62918Post Chippychap »

Apart from the recent hoolie that has been flattening most flattenable plants, what is the proper way to support Broad beans and tomatoes etc?
At the mo' they are about 8-10inches tall, the toms are in their own little planter and me beans are dotted around a large planter as a thinned-out mob.
Do you reckon one stick per plant or should I build a net scaffolding around the beans. :?
Me first year of growing stuff, got the basics like more salad leaves than you can shake a radish at and some herbs.
This stuff ain't ever going to be a fully balanced diet (yet) but it is good fun :geek:
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Post: # 62958Post Thurston Garden »

I am lazy with BB's, but as I don't grow many, it's not too much of a problem I just let them slouch hehe

My toms are supported by a string which is tied to horizontal strings in the polytunnel roof. The bottom of the vertical string is tied around the root ball of the plant when it is planted and as the tom grow, the stem is gradually wound round the string. Last years toms:

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My French beans grow up a frame made with 8ft canes. Most books show 2 rows of canes, tied at the tops forming a long, A frame. I keep my canes vertical along the edges if my 4ft wide raised beds and make a rectangular frame to support the tops. I can then grow the likes of radishes in the soil between the rows.

Bad pic, but you might just cam make out the bean frames (with the last of the crop which was left to dry) in the far right corner. Image
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Post: # 62971Post ohareward »

Hi Chippychap. Broad beans need to be well supported. Depending on the length of the rows, you may need stakes closer to support the string. Start about 30cm up from the ground and then every 20cm, until you have about a metre in height. Heavy rain will knock them over and the same as a frost. Winds are the worst. If you have the string too far apart the plants can still flop over in between.

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Post: # 62974Post Meredith »

Flipping heck, Thurston Garden. I'm impressed with your polytunnel. Mine is a bit more laissez faire. I've got weeds in mine!!!!

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Post: # 63009Post Chippychap »

I'm on me way.
Plus, that poly tunnel is nicer than me house :oops:
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Post: # 63063Post Cheezy »

Chippychap,

I've always done as they said on the broadie packet, double row 8 inches apart or sumut. Stake every one.

However I saw a load of chaps down the lottie they block plant, put canes around the outside of the block, with twine barriers half way up the bean stalk, and at the top of the bean stalk. THis holds up the outside ones when the wind blows, and they in turn hold up the inside ones. A lot less faf than all that staking and tieing.

Then I saw what the farmers do. Obviously you can't stake a whole field of broadies. They just mass block plant really quite close together, letting the outside ones blow, thats your natural wastage, inside the field they should be OK.

So next year I'm planting on mass the whole raised bed, I will put twine around the outside to keep them from falling out, but thats it!.

Tom's I tried twine inside the greenhouse coming down from a beam, and I've tried tieing to canes.

Pro's and cons, twine is really easy to wind the toms around, but when they get really heavy with toms they can sag and slide down.
Canes, really good support, especially outside. Pain in arse to tie, and if you tie too tightly, as the stem grows it can cut into the stem, this becomes a weak point and they can snap.

Also what I now do with toms is not plant into grow bags. I take the contents and put into a 8-10 inch pot fill up with the grown bag compost. ThenI put a 5 inch pot with the bottom cut out into the compost, and fill that up, then plant m'tom's into that. THis gives you the same/more compost in a vertical area rather than horizontal grow bag, so I can get more along m'south facing wall and greehouse.Also it's depth allows you to shove canes down into the pots and they will be suported, and it's easy to water from the top of the small pot, and around the side of the big pot....it's really working well for me this year. I've upped my number from 11 plants to 17 with loads of room still!.
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Post: # 63118Post Thurston Garden »

Meredith wrote:Flipping heck, Thurston Garden. I'm impressed with your polytunnel. Mine is a bit more laissez faire. I've got weeds in mine!!!!

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There was plenty weeds in that one last year too.... I got loads of 10 year old horse muck. Great I thought, until the nettles germinated grew like nobody's business. I can't stand nettles - hands tingle for days after being stung :cussing:

There is a big downside too: sleepless nights when it's very windy!
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Post: # 63172Post Chippychap »

Hi TG,
All joking apart, that poly tunnel is an absolute credit to you, and something for us all to admire. Thanks for sharing it.
Back to chuckling, can I book it for me hollidays, two weeks in August :wink:
Makes me tubs and planters in me back yard look like the Beverley Hillbillies. :oops:
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Post: # 63175Post Sassinak »

It looks to have floorboards :roll:

Do they go under the raised beds or just between them?

It has certainly given me something to aim for when I get my tunnel back up and in service again.
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Meredith wrote:Flipping heck, Thurston Garden. I'm impressed with your polytunnel. Mine is a bit more laissez faire. I've got weeds in mine!!!!

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There was plenty weeds in that one last year too.... I got loads of 10 year old horse muck. Great I thought, until the nettles germinated grew like nobody's business.
You should've cropped it, dried it and sold it as nettle tea to your local health food shop :wink:
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Post: # 63188Post Millie »

Im not a broan been fan, but Mother has some at the mo and shes just used good old garden canes to supprt them, same as with our toms, never had a problem. Shes got about 6 BB plants and recently got 4lb of BB on the first harvest.

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Post: # 63292Post Chippychap »

Nettles?
Below is a link to a forager who will eat most stuff, and give you the recipes.
He'll tell us all what to do with nettles :roll:

http://www.wildmanwildfood.co.uk/index.html

Some of the stuff he eats, I would not like to get on me shoes :shock:
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Sassinak wrote:It looks to have floorboards :roll:
Berber carpet actually. The easy chair, side table (with solar lamp) and wind up radio are just up of shot. :cooldude:
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Post: # 63390Post Thurston Garden »

To be honest, I too think my tunnel if fab. When the weather is crap, I can work away inside it. I can grow veg almost all year round. Carrot fly have not yet worked out how to get inside it either!

It is a lot of work though. Putting it up took Stephen and I 120 hours alone on the frame. It is 30ft wide and a little under 100 ft long - it's the largest single piece of polythene that can be manufactured. I can also confirm that is was a particularly stressful day for me when we put the polythene on. For those sufficiently bored, they can read the saga here: http://thurstongarden.wordpress.com/200 ... -building/

Without the help of friends and neighbours who all got stuck in with gusto, we would never hav managed. Not in a million years. It is this thought that gives me the sleepless nights when it's really windy. On Hogmany, I was up at the tunnel at 9pm, head to toe in waterproofs, torch in hand. It really does amaze me what it can withstand - I was blown off my feet that night!

I have had damage to it mind - the doors have been blown off twice last winter - hence the timber on the inside in the big photo. The first time the doors came off, one went through the polythene. I was not a happy bunny I can tell you!

With regard to the 'floorboards', I covered the whole of the inside with weed membrane, making sure to extend it right under the timber base rails (more on them in a bit) to the outside of the tunnel. This stops the weeds growing up behind the beds and up the polythene. I then made 35 8ft by 4ft beds and hammered the pointed corner posts though slits made in the membrane. Once the beds were firmly down, I cut away the centre of the membrane, 6" away from the inside of the beds and then folded the 6" excess up the inside of the bed sides. As a result, there is nowhere inside the tunnel for the weeds to grow - apart from inside the beds.

This year I have been a bit more organised and all it takes is a couple of hours every Monday morning to pull the weeds and hoe.

This is my second tunnel, and I would thoroughly recommend to anyone looking to buy one, to get timber base rails. They really do make all the difference. If you don't buy them, you dig a trench around the perimeter of the tunnel and bury the polythene in it. With this method, it is not east to get the plolythene nice and tight. Also, over time, the tunnel frame sinks/gets vibrated with the wind down into the soil, thus making the ploythene slack. With timber base rails, these are fixed to the bottom of the metal frame tubes and the polythene is fixed between 2 pieces of wood. If the polythene looses its taughtness (is that a word??), all you do is loosen the clamp and stand on the timber rail. This tightens the polythene and you then tighten up the clamps. Not easy to explain, so if anyone is considering one and wants to see some pics, let me know and I will post some!
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